Metronome discussion thread

Alright then, it's a deal :P Koreancuber, do you mean use the metronome throughout the full solve? Or just the F2L? I know I've stated this before, but if I don't miss any beats, I can do it in sub35 at 1.5bps/tps/whatever you want to call it. I haven't tried any faster than that, but I suspect in a couple weeks or less I should be able to do a solid 2tps, which would hopefully bring me into the lower / mid 20s (around my current average, my avg5 fluctuates quite a bit :/).
 
Do it on the whole solve. You couldn't possibly start the metronome after the cross and pause it after F2L while timing and solving the cube! :D Try testing out which tempo fits you the best and you will be surprised on the results.
 
I am planning on using metronome during the process of learning full PLL VS timing myself. My goal is to improve the constant movement during the F2L stage of solving and gain familiarity with the PLL in terms of recognition/execution.

Prior to this, metronome timing did help my averages drop by an average of 5 seconds over a two week period of practice. It helped improve my look ahead and forced me to stop focusing on one pair/solve then search for the next pair/solve...etc...etc... However, I have a long ways to go and recently have not been able to cube much since I was teaching a class. Now that I finished my class, I plan on working on full PLL/metronome to hopefully improve.
 
i bought myself a portable digital metronome after reading the "slow" thread. just dropping 3-4 secs on my ao12 on 2 weeks practice

i only do it to practice F2L. and never use a metronome for a full solve.

looking ahead is fun :D
 
I tried it, but just found the noise annoying as hell. It didn't suit my solving style at all. If I wanted the metronome to click as fast as I wanted to turn it would have to be going too fast for it to be discernable anyway. I don't think a metronome is practical once you get to be sub17, probably.
 
Well an average of 3tps would probably still be close enough to distinguish turn vs sound, and that's a pretty good tps (would put you under sub20).

I forget the math, but the cross at 8 moves max, then 4 F2L pairs at an average of 7 moves (somebody please correct me if I'm wrong), most OLL's and PLL's are under 14 each (I believe. That puts you at cross (8), F2L (28), LL (28). That's a total of 64 moves which 3tps puts you at 21.33 seconds. I'm pretty sure my OLL and PLL math is wrong. I think the OLL is somewhere around 8 or 10, and PLL at 12-14, which best case scenario LL would be 20, or 24. Which then that makes your total 56 moves or 60 moves which is 20 or better.

Either way a 1-2 second cross and a 9.3 second cross (28 moves / 3) puts you at 10.3 seconds, that's 9.7 seconds for a last layer (which for me is just a bit high of what it usually takes me to do a last layer with an OLL I have to do 2LOLL style and a G or N perm, any other perm and and OLL combo and it'd be probably 5 seconds or so). So if I could optimize my F2L, I wouldn't even need to work (too hard) on my LL to be constant sub20. Right now my F2L takes about 18-19 seconds, and there are several times I get an easily recognizable OLL or easy PLL.
 
But when you solve you don't turn at a consistent speed the whole time. You execute what you know as fast as you can while still looking ahead preferably.
 
@Dene: I guess what your saying is true, but I believe that it will help the sub-25's that are wanting to get in the sub-20 range. And the metronome is not only for the F2L, but for the whole solve, so you don't pause during any of the steps. That why I think it works very good for me. (Just hit sub-25) So the overall is: It WILL help beginners on their look ahead practices and constant turns per seconds. It WILL PROBABLY help intermediate (sub-30's) for their look ahead practices and MAYBE the pausing. For advanced cubers, none of this is needed because IF you are an advanced cuber, your already doing this. (look ahead, no pausing, good tps) Thanks again Dene.
 
koreancuber said:
@Dene: I guess what your saying is true, but I believe that it will help the sub-25's that are wanting to get in the sub-20 range. And the metronome is not only for the F2L, but for the whole solve, so you don't pause during any of the steps. That why I think it works very good for me. (Just hit sub-25) So the overall is: It WILL help beginners on their look ahead practices and constant turns per seconds. It WILL PROBABLY help intermediate (sub-30's) for their look ahead practices and MAYBE the pausing. For advanced cubers, none of this is needed because IF you are an advanced cuber, your already doing this. (look ahead, no pausing, good tps) Thanks again Dene.
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I honestly never used it for the whole solve. You memorize the cross and do F2L at constant rate and then just do your last layer algorithms. You want to do those algorithms as fast as possible and with fast recognition so I don't see how looking ahead would help..
 
Oh! Does this really help? It seem to me that one of the main difficulties when looking ahead is to mentally block all these last layer stickers. Am I missing something?
 
Yea thats a disadvantage. I prefer doing F2L with every sticker on and just practice practice and practice. Recognition would be a lot better. Just need to go a smooth steady pace. Once you are comfortable then go a little faster.
 
How fast?

DAE_JA_VOO said:
Using a metronome is something that changed my cubing completely. I struggled to break sub20. I was stuck around 20-23 seconds for almost a year, until one day I did 30 minutes of metronome solving. After that, I did an 18 second average. Since then, I probably do about 30-60 minutes of metronome solving every day as practice. It's helping me a lot!
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How fast do you do the practicing to break sub 20?
 
So should we do this experiment while solving the whole cube or F2L only? I figure if I can get my average F2L moves at 28 (the 7 moves per pair), and my cross under a second, with 2tps during F2L, the I should have a 2 secondish cross, a 14 second F2L (puts me at 16 seconds) and then anywhere from 4-8 second LL. That'd put me at nice 20-24 with some nice lucky PB's!
 
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