M & M' for F2L

[ariasamie]

do you use M & M' for the first two layers?
if yes what cases? what are the algs?
these comments are from this video.

Spoiler

so, Breandan does use M & M' and faz seems to be looking for such algs!

yes my youtube has a black background. http://userstyles.org/

 

[Zonda]

R Rw' U L F' L' U' M' is the alg in the vid.

I don't use them, but sometimes I improvise. I rarely gain anything by doing so though.

 

[Enter]

M U L F' L' U' M'
fixed

 

[gasmus]

He wanted to know the alg for that one case in the video(which happened to contain an M'). Hes not looking for tons of algs with M/M'

Edit: and actually, Zonda was correct thats how it was performed

 

[Eleredo]

I do, but I can't say the algorithm(s) as I use the Petrus method so there are no algorithms for the first two layers.

 

[Godmil]

He wanted to know the alg for that one case in the video(which happened to contain an M'). Hes not looking for tons of algs with M/M'

Reread the OP.
My Fav F2L alg with an M in it is this one: r' U' R U M' ( for slotting a pair in the back right position without a cube rotation - though the rotation is faster so it's only really useful for edge control)

EDIT: yeah ok, sorry. VV

 

[gasmus]

You re-read

by "He" i mean Feliks

 

[StachuK1992]

Yes, if getting a cross with 2 opp edges is much easier than getting a 'right' cross. Then just OLL, and do the M2 U2 M2 to an advantage, if possible.

 

[Daniel Wu]

Just reverse the algs that everyone posted.

 

[teller]

Yes, if getting a cross with 2 opp edges is much easier than getting a 'right' cross. Then just OLL, and do the M2 U2 M2 to an advantage, if possible.

Actually, couldn't you use this during F2L to break up or setup a pair if the occasion arises?

Still, eww...anytime I have this "wacked" cross (by accident) it screws with my recognition and I start putting things in the wrong slots.

 

[Erzz]

If it's the last pair and no edges are orientated, L F L' U2 M' U M.

 

[oprah62]

Does anyone have a collection of Breandan's f2l algs?

 

[Joker]

Yea, I use M/M' quite a bit. Lowers rotaions, lowers amount of moves.

 

[Sa967St]

You could use Forte's amazing F2L trick O:
S (rUR'U')*3 S'

 

[maggot]

Yea, I use M/M' quite a bit. Lowers rotaions, lowers amount of moves.

do you? really? youre awesome.


back on topic, the westonian youtube channel does describe some awkward insertion with M slice, and does describe how that can be used for partial edge control. he also explain how he would only use these alg for awkward insertion iff it would help with edge orientation. (as far as i remember) the video have been around for a long time (over a year?)

i have learned these technique, however i admit i dont ever use it. its faster for me to work with unoriented edges or cube rotations. i should give it a chance though. i admit to not practicing it because it is not friendly on big cubes. i spend more time on big cube than 3x3. i pretty much never use any kind of partial edge control. maybe thats why im so slow @ 3x3 LMAO!

 

[Joker]

You could use Forte's amazing F2L trick O:
S (rUR'U')*3 S'

Er...that messes up F2L, unless I'm doing it wrong...

do you? really? youre awesome.


back on topic, the westonian youtube channel does describe some awkward insertion with M slice, and does describe how that can be used for partial edge control. he also explain how he would only use these alg for awkward insertion iff it would help with edge orientation. (as far as i remember) the video have been around for a long time (over a year?)

i have learned these technique, however i admit i dont ever use it. its faster for me to work with unoriented edges or cube rotations. i should give it a chance though. i admit to not practicing it because it is not friendly on big cubes. i spend more time on big cube than 3x3. i pretty much never use any kind of partial edge control. maybe thats why im so slow @ 3x3 LMAO!

Yay I got called awesome! -checks off goal in life-
Oh and btw shoulda made this a poll

 

[Sa967St]

You could use Forte's amazing F2L trick O:
S (rUR'U')*3 S'

Er...that messes up F2L, unless I'm doing it wrong...

It's used when you accidentally did cross wrong by having two adjacent pieces flipped (at DL and FD), and the FR F2L slot case is the upside-down pair.

 

[Escher]

Does anyone have a collection of Breandan's f2l algs?

No, and neither does he!

He forgot the majority of them during his break. I have like a few algs for the very first part of his system, but its not useful without the rest really. Besides, Macky should have the ones I do on his advanced f2l page anyway, I think he said he was going to put them up.

 

[waffle=ijm]

I use M and M' all the time.

 

[oprah62]

Hmm I really wish I could have at least some of them, I use most of the ones on Macky's site.