Last Layer Variations

[4Chan]

Well, for the one in which the colours in the back are matched but the front aren't.

Liek,

BB
LR

The one with a Z perm with lots of B turns and L turns.

Do a Y2 rotation, and it's a beautiful R, F, U algorithm that's simply delicious!~

 

[miniGOINGS]

Goings, can you confirm that? How is ZZLL recognized?
It's getting 2 opposite edges permuted and then recognizing movements of the corners and the other 2 edges right?

Nope.

Chris, either way, if you get to the LL with ZBLL and the edges are already phased, you can recognize with ZZLL recog. I hope that made some sense, but it probably didn't.

ZZLL (ZZ-b), as shown here, is recognized by first determining the COLL case, and then the cycle of edges.

I believe that this is the same as ZBLL, only there are fewer cases for the edge cycles.

EDIT: One thing to note about that site is that it's not finished (although the "Anti-Zune" page made me laugh).

 

[4Chan]

Ah!
I see.

I was thinking of some image I saw somewhere about corners moving clockwise.
Nevermind, it's the same.

 

[miniGOINGS]

That is why I think ZZ-b would be a good transition. Going from recognizing COLL, to COLL + edges with restrictions, to COLL + edges with no restrictions.

 

[Cride5]

I'm just going to go in ZBLL (ZZ-a) after COLL (after mastered in 2 weeks). If there's a specific reason I should go into ZZLL, I would but I just don't see a good reason. (other than that it helps transferring into ZZ-a).

1. Less algs
2. Better recog
3. Algs can be used later

ZZLL is a great transition to ZBLL, I would only learn it if going to ZBLL. With 3 (?) extra moves in F2L, you get a way easier LL.

Hmmm.. any recommended sites? Oh, also, are eastamazonantidote's algs better or Jason Baum's algs better??

For my ZBLLs I'm using the wiki database here. It was originally set up with the first complete ZBLL alg list published by eastamazonantidote. It is possible to add your own algs to the database, and I'd imagine folks have been doing so already. I certainly have anyway

Anyone recomends learn VH for OH solving? I do 2 look OLL OH most of the time, i think maybe my last layer will be faster with VH..

If you're really into OH, you could look into OCELL/CPLL. It maximises the number of 2-gen algs involved in the last-layer, using only 4 non-2-gen algs in the final CPLL step (the A-perms, E-perm and H-perm). If you can get good OH CPLL algs it could be quite fast.

 

[miniGOINGS]

Conrad, what's wrong with the <R, U> or <M, U> H Perms for OH?

 

[Cride5]

Conrad, what's wrong with the <R, U> or <M, U> H Perms for OH?

H-perm occurs with the same frequency in both EPLL and CPLL. The algs are probably quite good for exec, but I'm terrible at OH so can't comment really.

The Idea with OCELL is that you're replacing the hardest part: COLL (only 7/40 2G cases) with OCELL (40/40 2G cases). If the final step CPLL can be done as fast as EPLL, then it OCELL should in theory be quicker. But I'm no OH expert, so can't comment from a personal perspective.

 

[4Chan]

It gets tough.

Expect to be frustrated.
If you're like me, you'll want to give up.
You won't see positive gains for at least 8 months. xD

 

[4Chan]

I used to play this game called Runescape.
I reached the highest level in a few skills.

In order to do that I had to sit in a chair for 600 hours clicking the same things over and over and over.

This effectively allowed me to never become bored of anything in my life.
I have no sense of boredom.

 

[Sir E Brum]

Lol, idk.
I don't actually "use COLL" and it's hard for me to differentiate ZBLL and COLL, because I use ZBLL so much. D:

Lol. I average around 2 seconds on 5 algs I learned today, should I just focus on those or go on to more algs?

Just practice ZZF2L and do whatever COLL case comes up. It will allow you to work on ZZF2L AND COLL at the same time. In addition, your EPLL algs should get REALLY fast. I use the M-slice ones, they are sexy.

I got the EPLL mastered. And, what's ZZF2L? (isn't it ZBF2L)? I'm not learning that, lol. EOLine takes care of EVERYTHING! The only things left are COLL 35 algs, and ZZ-a 500 algs, but with 4Chan's tips, much less than 500. Thanks

ZZF2L is just F2L for ZZ.

 

[Sir E Brum]

It's nothing special lol. I have always called it ZZF2L because that clarifies that it is part of the ZZ method.

 

[miniGOINGS]

It's nothing special lol. I have always called it ZZF2L because that clarifies that it is part of the ZZ method.

Lol, I'm like, 0_o. so it's just F2L?

Yes. ZZF2L is the F2L part of the ZZ method.

 

[Sir E Brum]

Yes. And I don't think you will master COLL in 2 weeks. I have been working on it for over a month, but I still have to pause and think about some algs before execution.

 

[4Chan]

One thing to note...
After EO, you don't neccessarily have to make a line...
You can also block build from 2x2x2 or even 2x2x3 and more.

I do that when I try to do FMC.


I memorized COLL in 2 days.

 

[miniGOINGS]

One thing to note...
After EO, you don't neccessarily have to make a line...
You can also block build from 2x2x2 or even 2x2x3 and more.

I do that when I try to do FMC.


I memorized COLL in 2 days.

...Chris you're not human.

You do FMC with EO + Blockbuilding? Why didn't I think of this...

Two days, is like, 48 hours, that's insane.

 

[Sir E Brum]

Memorization is easy enough, but doing it without thinking is a bit harder. That is what I was getting at.

 

[miniGOINGS]

Memorization is easy enough, but doing it without thinking is a bit harder. That is what I was getting at.

lolsig

It looks like you're not done yet.

 

[Sir E Brum]

I only count the ones I have down perfectly =P Not just the ones I know.

 

[Cride5]

It's nothing special lol. I have always called it ZZF2L because that clarifies that it is part of the ZZ method.

Lol, I'm like, 0_o. so it's just F2L?

It is the First 2 Layers, but it's not Fridrich F2L.

Instead of cross and four slots, you build two 1x2x3 blocks either side of the line. If you're just starting out, building Fridrich corner+edge pairs and joining them to the remaining D-layer edges is fine, but the move count won't be great. I'd recommend looking at alternative ways to build blocks and doing a lot of slow FM-style solving to improve efficiency.

 

[eastamazonantidote]

Memorization is easy enough, but doing it without thinking is a bit harder. That is what I was getting at.

I guess that sums up my early struggles. I learned all of COLL in a week, but then fiddled around because recognition was terrible and recall was worse.

Hmmm.. any recommended sites? Oh, also, are eastamazonantidote's algs better or Jason Baum's algs better??

This is purely opinion. I will point out that many of our algs are the same. Mine are more suited to my style, which I will point out is not well defined. I modified COLL to fit my recognition (which I later found out to be the same as blah's recognition). Some algs seemed too long so I generated my own or mirrored them for the left hand (Baum does U2 or y2 for this).

I recommend learning the H sets first, to be honest. These are the algs you're more likely to be familiar with and helps build confidence. However, everyone is unique.