A new use for zbls algs

[airton]

What do you think about using wv algs to get easier olls?

Edit: Sorry, i said wv algs, but i was thinking in wv and zbls algs

 

[turtwig]

I think it's possible that this could be worth it for some easy WV algs. I sometimes choose between R U2 R' and R U' R' insertions to influence OLLs (and to a larger extent to increase my chance of ZBLL), and I think that's definitely worth doing if you can get a good case instead of a bad case. Perhaps sledgehammer vs. M' U R U' r' is something worth doing as well (not WV but same idea). Other than that, though, I find it hard to believe that increased recognition time + at least 3-4 extra moves is worth it if you're just getting a better case rather than getting a skip.

 

[Garf]

What do you think about using wv algs to get easier olls?

If a patched pair, then Valk Last Slot already does that. WV is just a subset of VLS.

 

[airton]

Some cases i already find

I find it hard to believe that increased recognition time + at least 3-4 extra moves is worth it if you're just getting a better case rather than getting a skip.

yes, this can be a problem

 

[turtwig]

Some of these don't really make sense. Like for the 1st and 7th ones, I'm pretty sure you get the same OLLs that you would with normal R U' R' insertion. I don't think the second one is worth it. If you just did a sledge, you get a 9 move OLL (which I think is quite good) vs. a 6 move T OLL, but the insertion is 3 moves longer than a sledge (and much less fingertrick friendly). You could also do M' U R U' r' into an all-corners-oriented OLL, which is also arguably better. The 4th one on the last row is also weird; it tells you to sledge into the lefty P OLL, but if you did the normal insert you get the F R U' R' U' R U R' F' OLL which I think is much better for righty solvers just in general, not to mention the easy OLLCPs that exist for it. The 4th one on the second row is very dubious, a normal insertion gives an all-corners-oriented OLL which is very good so there is no reason to do the VLS to get fat sune.

 

[Timona]

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Some cases i already find


yes, this can be a problem

If you're going to commit to the task of knowing what OLL you get after inserting the VLS, just use that same energy to learn the VLS alg instead.

Also, I find it counterproductive to do the lag, and then do the OLL, when you can just do the VLS alg instead and skip OLL.

If you're so worried about getting better OLLs, just learn the VHLS cases for a pre made Pair so you can get EOLL.