hyn
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What do you average on squan?
IsThatA4x4’s progression thread // Sub-10 3x3 // Sub-9 Squan // Road to Squan UKNR - 3-looking now !!! (OBL/PBL)
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IsThatA4x4
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Currently my ao1000 is 25, it goes down very quickly atm though.
I learned U/H for EP, it's so much nicer now, same goes for Z/H
I am not learning EP algs (technically), I'm learning what combinations of easy EPs to use (e.g. adj/adj, opp/opp, Z, O/opp)
IsThatA4x4
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Squan PB!!
Generated By csTimer on 2022-08-07
single: 12.74
Time List:
1. 12.74 (-2,0)/ (3,0)/ (-3,6)/ (3,0)/ (-1,-1)/ (0,-3)/ (6,-5)/ (0,-3)/ (3,-3)/ (-1,0)/ (6,0)
Recon
10 / 03 / ## CS (good fist/fist)
61 / -30 / ## CO
03 / 30 / 30 / -1-1 / -21 / -30 / ## EO (1-1)
-33 / 30 / -3-3 / 03 / ## CP (J/J)
33 / 03 / -1-1 / 1-2 / 30 / 03 / -1-1 / 1-2 / 50 ## EP (U/solved)
Fullstep just got lucky with everything basically
Sub-10 single soon??
Generated By csTimer on 2022-08-07
single: 12.74
Time List:
1. 12.74 (-2,0)/ (3,0)/ (-3,6)/ (3,0)/ (-1,-1)/ (0,-3)/ (6,-5)/ (0,-3)/ (3,-3)/ (-1,0)/ (6,0)
Recon
10 / 03 / ## CS (good fist/fist)
61 / -30 / ## CO
03 / 30 / 30 / -1-1 / -21 / -30 / ## EO (1-1)
-33 / 30 / -3-3 / 03 / ## CP (J/J)
33 / 03 / -1-1 / 1-2 / 30 / 03 / -1-1 / 1-2 / 50 ## EP (U/solved)
Fullstep just got lucky with everything basically
Sub-10 single soon??
IsThatA4x4
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PB ao5, I think first sub-20??
Generated By csTimer on 2022-08-07
avg of 5: 17.16
Time List:
1. 20.02 (0,2)/ (-5,4)/ (-3,0)/ (2,-4)/ (3,0)/ (-3,-3)/ (0,-5)/ (-3,-3)/ (4,-1)/ (-4,0)/ (0,-4)/ (4,0)/ (2,0)
2. (12.74) (-2,0)/ (3,0)/ (-3,6)/ (3,0)/ (-1,-1)/ (0,-3)/ (6,-5)/ (0,-3)/ (3,-3)/ (-1,0)/ (6,0)
3. (28.54) (-2,-3)/ (3,0)/ (-3,0)/ (2,-1)/ (3,-3)/ (3,0)/ (0,-5)/ (0,-3)/ (0,-3)/ (0,-4)/ (4,-4)/ (0,-1)/ (0,-2)/ (-2,0)
4. 17.02 (0,5)/ (1,1)/ (0,-3)/ (-4,-1)/ (4,-5)/ (3,0)/ (0,-4)/ (-3,0)/ (-1,0)/ (2,-3)/ (0,-5)/ (0,-2)/ (-4,0)
5. 14.45 (3,-4)/ (0,3)/ (-2,-5)/ (3,0)/ (-4,-4)/ (0,-2)/ (-3,-3)/ (0,-1)/ (0,-2)/ (4,0)/ (2,0)/ (2,0)
Generated By csTimer on 2022-08-07
avg of 5: 17.16
Time List:
1. 20.02 (0,2)/ (-5,4)/ (-3,0)/ (2,-4)/ (3,0)/ (-3,-3)/ (0,-5)/ (-3,-3)/ (4,-1)/ (-4,0)/ (0,-4)/ (4,0)/ (2,0)
2. (12.74) (-2,0)/ (3,0)/ (-3,6)/ (3,0)/ (-1,-1)/ (0,-3)/ (6,-5)/ (0,-3)/ (3,-3)/ (-1,0)/ (6,0)
3. (28.54) (-2,-3)/ (3,0)/ (-3,0)/ (2,-1)/ (3,-3)/ (3,0)/ (0,-5)/ (0,-3)/ (0,-3)/ (0,-4)/ (4,-4)/ (0,-1)/ (0,-2)/ (-2,0)
4. 17.02 (0,5)/ (1,1)/ (0,-3)/ (-4,-1)/ (4,-5)/ (3,0)/ (0,-4)/ (-3,0)/ (-1,0)/ (2,-3)/ (0,-5)/ (0,-2)/ (-4,0)
5. 14.45 (3,-4)/ (0,3)/ (-2,-5)/ (3,0)/ (-4,-4)/ (0,-2)/ (-3,-3)/ (0,-1)/ (0,-2)/ (4,0)/ (2,0)/ (2,0)
IsThatA4x4
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PB near miss, I hate ABF...
12.87
(4,0)/ (0,3)/ (-3,0)/ (2,-1)/ (0,-3)/ (-3,0)/ (6,0)/ (0,-5)/ (-3,0)/ (3,0)/ (0,-3)/ (4,-1)/ (4,0)/
CS // 1 slice to Scallop/kite
CO // 2 slices
EO // 1-1
CP // N/J (I didn't align blocks because I'm stupid but it worked out)
EP // Z/Z (Pre-ABF and double ABF required, made me miss PB sadj)
12.87
(4,0)/ (0,3)/ (-3,0)/ (2,-1)/ (0,-3)/ (-3,0)/ (6,0)/ (0,-5)/ (-3,0)/ (3,0)/ (0,-3)/ (4,-1)/ (4,0)/
CS // 1 slice to Scallop/kite
CO // 2 slices
EO // 1-1
CP // N/J (I didn't align blocks because I'm stupid but it worked out)
EP // Z/Z (Pre-ABF and double ABF required, made me miss PB sadj)
IsThatA4x4
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I made a cubeshape spreadsheet with every case!
This should make learning it a lot easier, I've learned all the 1, 2, 3, and 4 slicers, and a lot of the 5 slicers
The sheet is in my algs doc (also including a WIP squan EP section) which is in my signature and I'll link it here
This should make learning it a lot easier, I've learned all the 1, 2, 3, and 4 slicers, and a lot of the 5 slicers
The sheet is in my algs doc (also including a WIP squan EP section) which is in my signature and I'll link it here
DuckubingCuber347
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I find the one I'll link down below to be much better. It doesn't really on knowing the CS names, it shows you exactly where you need to line the slice up, it's a chart, and it's easier to use.
IsThatA4x4
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If only the resolution was higher on my phone screen I would be able to use it...
I like how they did different colour patterns for different shapes too, it's really visually appealing.
DuckubingCuber347
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If you click on the link you should have no problem seeing it. And if it's still not that visible you could always print it.
IsThatA4x4
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I did click on the link, I'll just print it (although tomorrow because I should really sleep now)
Small update about squan progression:
Getting better at CP prediction, which is currently a big pause in my solves, and learned some more 5/6 slicers for CS.
CS is definitely less learny and more intuitive which is really nice because I was not liking the prospect of learning 50+ cases when I started.
Once I learn CS I'll work on my PBL stage, and then eventually learn CSP (because I have to if I want to learn 2-alg PBL)
IsThatA4x4
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My ao100 is now 22 for squan! Getting closer to being sub-20 yay.
I can 1-look EOCP almost every solve now which has been really nice for reducing pauses, and I have been turning a little faster during EP (unfortunately resulting in some nasty jams during the parity alg, I just gotta turn more accurately). The other CS cases I learned have given me a good idea of how they flow into each other which is also really helping with the beginning of the solve, I'm starting to be able to 1-look it a lot.
I can 1-look EOCP almost every solve now which has been really nice for reducing pauses, and I have been turning a little faster during EP (unfortunately resulting in some nasty jams during the parity alg, I just gotta turn more accurately). The other CS cases I learned have given me a good idea of how they flow into each other which is also really helping with the beginning of the solve, I'm starting to be able to 1-look it a lot.
IsThatA4x4
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Squan PB single yet again, sub-12 choke
Generated By csTimer on 2022-08-12
single: 12.05
Time List:
1. 12.05 (0,-1)/ (4,1)/ (5,-1)/ (4,-2)/ (-3,0)/ (3,0)/ (0,-4)/ (6,0)/ (3,-3)/ (-5,-4)/ (-4,-4)/ (4,0)/
Recon:
-2-2 / -3-1 / 33 / ## CS (scallop/scallop)
40 / ## CO
0-3 / -1-1 / ## EO (M2)
11 / -33 / 30 / 0-3 / 03 / 0-3 / ## CP (J/O) but i forgot to align block so I missed out on U/U
30 / 03 / -1-1 / 1-2 / 30 / 30 / -1-1 / -21 / 66 ## EP (U/Z)
I guess I should do SPS now as well,
20/12.05=1.65 SPS
Generated By csTimer on 2022-08-12
single: 12.05
Time List:
1. 12.05 (0,-1)/ (4,1)/ (5,-1)/ (4,-2)/ (-3,0)/ (3,0)/ (0,-4)/ (6,0)/ (3,-3)/ (-5,-4)/ (-4,-4)/ (4,0)/
Recon:
-2-2 / -3-1 / 33 / ## CS (scallop/scallop)
40 / ## CO
0-3 / -1-1 / ## EO (M2)
11 / -33 / 30 / 0-3 / 03 / 0-3 / ## CP (J/O) but i forgot to align block so I missed out on U/U
30 / 03 / -1-1 / 1-2 / 30 / 30 / -1-1 / -21 / 66 ## EP (U/Z)
I guess I should do SPS now as well,
20/12.05=1.65 SPS
IsThatA4x4
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WHAT IS THIS SCRAMBLE LMAO
Unfortunately it has parity so I got a 17
(0,5)/ (-5,4)/ (5,-1)/ (-2,0)/ (-3,0)/ (-3,-2)/ (-2,0)/ (0,-4)/ (0,-4)/ (4,0)/ (1,0)/ (3,0)/ (-1,0)/ (-5,0)
Unfortunately it has parity so I got a 17
(0,5)/ (-5,4)/ (5,-1)/ (-2,0)/ (-3,0)/ (-3,-2)/ (-2,0)/ (0,-4)/ (0,-4)/ (4,0)/ (1,0)/ (3,0)/ (-1,0)/ (-5,0)
IsThatA4x4
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Mid 21 squan ao100 sub-20 is so close now!
Getting better at one-looking 6 slice CS cases (because they're bad I might as well learn them), I normally have a good idea of how to solve every case optimally now from inspection.
EOCP lookahead has gotten even better but I really need to lookahead to blocks too so I can actually align them without a huge pause, and I can then use that to predict EP.
Also trying to turn faster during EP now (and if it was more accurate too I could stop popping and jamming every 5 solves...)
Getting better at one-looking 6 slice CS cases (because they're bad I might as well learn them), I normally have a good idea of how to solve every case optimally now from inspection.
EOCP lookahead has gotten even better but I really need to lookahead to blocks too so I can actually align them without a huge pause, and I can then use that to predict EP.
Also trying to turn faster during EP now (and if it was more accurate too I could stop popping and jamming every 5 solves...)
Timona
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I don't understand anything that I'm reading and I love it lol
DuckubingCuber347
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mid-21 means the he averages around 21 seconds. Sub-20 means he is close to averaging under 20 seconds. One looking means you plan a certain part of the solve in the inspection. This usually applies to the entire puzzle but here it is CS. CS means Cube Shape and it's the step where you take a scrambled Square-1 and return it to a cube shape. Case means certain positions of the puzzle, it usually applies to specific algorithms of a set. Optimal means that it is the best possible way. Inspection is when you look at the puzzle before you start the timer and try to plan as much of the solve as possible.
EOCP means Edge Orientation + Corner Permutation. I don't think he actually knows this but is instead referring to looking ahead to CP during EO. Lookahead is when you track pieces of the puzzle before they arrive at theirs positions. This allows you to know where the pieces will be. Blocks means a group of pieces that are both oriented and permuted to each other correctly. A pause is when you fail to lookahead and need to stop turning while you look for your next moves. EP stands for Edge Permutation and it is he final step of Vandenburgh which is a method for solving Square-1.
Popping means that a piece comes out of puzzle unintentionally. The cube does not break when this happens but is usually a result of bad tensions mixed with careless turning or a badly designed puzzle. Jamming is when the pieces get stuck in the middle of a turn and go places their mommy told them not to go.
Hope that explains it, Quack!
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I love that you just had to put 'where their mommy told them not to go'. 
IsThatA4x4
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Well, DCC (or whatever we wanna shorten it to) just explained in...
Great detail
But maybe you would understand more if you joined the squan
Join us it's fun I promise...
Xatu
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@IsThatA4x4 i like squan too
IsThatA4x4
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Yes, that's what I meant. I just find it easier to say that rather than saying "I'm getting better at looking ahead to CP during EO".
(Pretty sure EOCP algs wouldn't be worth it anyway because you could just cancel moves between EO and CP and have it be close to optimal anyway)
