Influencing Skipped Steps and LL edge control.

[Lofty]

I have finally begun to get faster on OH! And as I have been after staying stagnent for so long I am questioning why. I got the 19.xx averages solving normally so that shows I was improving regardless of changes in my method but when I got the 18.81 average I was using a very heavy amount of LL edge control mainly via VHF2L. The obvious reason for an increase in speed is it yields a very easy OLL and a chance to use COLL with a further chance on a EPLL skip. Really all you have to do is add 3 moves and you can get your edges oriented (if it takes more than that I just use OLL as normal) So my main question should I learn some type of intuitive ZBf2l so that I can get these easy LL cases every solve? obviously there are things like MGLS that will give me 2gen "OLL" but that eliminates the opportunity to do things like COLL. I supoose I don't as much have a question as much as I'm commenting on the fact that VHF2L (the very easy cases) have helped to improve my OH times.

 

[Lucas Garron]

Well, I influence EO throughout my solve, so I often get nicer ELS cases. However, MGLS still gives good opportunities for special cases. I often do VH if I have a pair at ELS, which gives me OCLL (tends to be faster than bad cases of CLS) but would also allow OCLL...
But, like you mentioned, I don't need to use 3 sides for OLL.

So, I agree, edge control is nice. (Actually, I think I can avg sub-30 with pre-orient OH, but I haven't tried in a while.)

I remember a post (by Dan D.?) in the Yahoo group about how sub-15 solvers always do stuff like this.

(And just wait until Tim reads this thread,)

 

[Dene]

Lofty, where did you learn VHF2L? I've been meaning to figure out partial edge control at least.

 

[Lofty]

Anywhere there is ZBF2L algs you can learn it. They aren't really algs that I use tho its really quite intuitive especially if you are familiar with step 3 of Petrus.

 

[SD14]

i actually have been using the edge control for a while now and it makes an easy cross case pretty much every time but then there are the oll skips also i have noticed that on some cases you can use some plls instead of doing an oll

 

[hdskull]

when i recognize edge control = OLL skips/good times

 

[*LukeMayn*]

Lofty, where did you learn VHF2L? I've been meaning to figure out partial edge control at least.

Woah you still don't know partial edge control! This is like an easy example: You see all F2L done apart from one (it has already been paired.)There are also ,you can see, no edges oriented. You would normally insert it as U R U' R' insted you insert it as R' F R F' and it make an "L" shape.

 

[Lofty]

well I do more edge control than just that...

 

[Rama]

I try to flip two (sometimes four) edges when I see that all four of them are going to be flipped incorrectly.
I better search the internet for some nicer algs, it's almost summertime, so no school = free time.

 

[Lofty]

Yea. when I see I will have no edges and it is a connected pair I just flip two while inserting the pair. If i see I will have no edges and it is a seperated pair I do VHF2L now but i need to find something better. Maybe just pair it differently to make it a connected pair or to flip some edges... Let me know what you find Rama.
I think eventually we just need to work on a OH version of ZB, or like an intuitive ZBF2L since having all edges really makes things so much easier for OH.