# The influence of cubes in your times

#### cunningcuber

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Cubes better than the rubik's brand's lower your times.I've always wonderedhow much difference do they make.So i propose this challenge(3x3x3 only):
-Do five solves with the cube you usually use;
-Register those five times and their average (of the five times);
-Do five solves with a regular, unmoded,unlubed rubik's brand cube;
-Register those five times and their average (of the five times);
-then post those times and averages.

Example:
ZhanChi:30.00, 30.00, 30.00, 30.00, 30.00
average:30.00

rubik's cube:??.??, ??.??, ??.??, ??.??, ??.??,
average:??.??

Scrambles:
1-D R B' L' R D' F L' B' D L' F2 L' R' F D2 R U L2 D U' F' R2 B' U2

2-L2 U L' D' U2 F' D L2 F2 U L B2 L' F B2 D' F D F2 D2 B2 D' F2 B' U'

3-L' D F2 R2 D' F2 D2 R' L2 B2 U2 L2 U D' L2 D2 R' D2 F B U R B2 D' B

4-U' F2 R D2 L B' R F2 D' F2 B' L' F2 R2 L' F' L2 F U' B L F B' R' L'

5-B2 L2 D' F' D' F' D R' L' D' R' B' D R L' U' F2 D L2 R2 B' U2 D2 B2 L2

6-L F' B L2 F' R B' R D2 L2 R F2 D' R' L2 B' R2 U2 D2 F' D2 R2 D' L2 U'

7-D2 F' L2 B F' D' U2 F2 R2 D L2 R' U' R L U' L F' U B' F2 U R' B2 R2

8-F2 D L' R2 D R2 F B D2 R' D' R' B F L2 D' F' U R U' D2 R L D' L'

9-D' L' U' R B L2 U L2 R B' L2 R B' D' R2 L' D' R L2 D' U R2 L2 U2 D2

10-F2 U F L U R' U' R2 U R2 B' L2 B2 D' F R D2 B' R2 L' U2 D' R F2 D'

If you want the challenge to be even more accurate, use the same five scrambles for the both cubes.If you do this please say so.

Good luck!

#### Tao Yu

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Rubiks brand

Average of 5: 18.91
1. 19.16
2. (22.20)
3. 18.16
4. 19.43
5. (16.68) OLL skip

Guhong
Average of 5: 11.66
1. (10.75) lolwatscramble.
2. (14.10)
3. 12.38
4. 11.72
5. 10.88

I don't think we should use the same scrambles as it might give you an advantage knowing the scramble beforehand

difference of 7.25 seconds

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good point

#### legacy515

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I'd imagine not many speedcubers have a brand new storebought just lying around. I have one that has seen extremely heavy use which you might consider "modded."

#### PandaCuber

##### Member
Okay
Im using a Zhanchi as my 'fast' cube and an Alpha V as my slow cube. Im using an unlubricated, unmodded, untensioned Alpha V(AV) so it really sucks.
Method: Roux

Ao5 With Zhanchi- 23.32, 24.99, 20.62, 23.89, 20.97: 22.73

Ao5 With Slow AV- 25.49, 24.02, 26.63, 27.76, 22.54: 25.38

And I did not use the same scrambles because I would already know the outcome..:fp

Extra comments: It theres not much difference, cause with the turn speed that I had lost, it made up for with the great lookahead. Yes lockups are a huge pain, but it gives you time to think.

#### aaronb

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Rubik's brand (lubed):
Ao5: 21.97
00:22.04
00:19.71
00:24.99
00:22.21
00:21.65

Lubed and Modded Zhanchi:
ao5: 16.39
00:16.82
00:18.34
00:16.25
00:16.11
00:15.47

Difference: 5.58 seconds

I like this thread, just to see how much the cubes really affects times, based on how fast you are. You always hear the "It is the cuber, not the cube." But now we can get a rough idea, of if this is true or not, or to what extent this is true.

If this thread gets enough data I will make a cute little graph. The data will look like this: (This would be the data for me)

Average: 16.39
Difference between cubes: 5.58

#### 5BLD

##### Member
Storebought 14.06
Type C 12.77
Zhanchi 11.70

Mine has been sanded a little.

#### Lucas Garron

##### Member
How do you account for hands getting warmed up?

#### PandaCuber

##### Member
How do you account for hands getting warmed up?
It was about 7pm when I did these solves and ive been cubing all day, so i dont think its a HUGE factor.

#### jrb

##### Member
Storebought AO5:

24.88, 30.43, 30.06, 25.52, 30.46
stats: (hide)
number of times: 5/5
best time: 24.88
worst time: 30.46

current avg5: 28.67 (σ = 2.23)
best avg5: 28.67 (σ = 2.23)

session avg: 28.67 (σ = 2.23)
session mean: 28.27

Lubix Fusion AO5:

22.80, 24.91, 19.35, 21.93, 19.32
stats: (hide)
number of times: 5/5
best time: 19.32
worst time: 24.91

current avg5: 21.36 (σ = 1.46)
best avg5: 21.36 (σ = 1.46)

session avg: 21.36 (σ = 1.46)
session mean: 21.66

#### blakedacuber

normal avg 17.55(my avg of 100 today)
Zhanci:
16.98
20.47
17.87
17.09
17.70

avg: 17.55 (lol)

Diansheng unmodded unlube etc( very similar to Rubik's brand imo):
37.71
34.10
36.80
29.19
32.64

avg:34.51

must say this is a good thread

#### d4m4s74

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Today I did OH with an unmodded, new, Rubik's brand cube. Just a single solve because I might break my fingers, but it was 1:15.04 (as opposed to my average of about 45 seconds)

#### emolover

##### Member
Storebought 14.06
Type C 12.77
Zhanchi 11.70

Mine has been sanded a little.
A little? I thought you were the roux user with the heaviest modded rubik's brand ever that you got sub 15 with.

#### 5BLD

##### Member
A little? I thought you were the roux user with the heaviest modded rubik's brand ever that you got sub 15 with.
Yes, yes I was. Then I did this horrible mod which killed it. I sawed off bits of the edges to make it like an fii.
So the one I'm using now is a new one that I modded basically the same as the other. But not as extreme!

#### Godmil

Excellent thread idea, can't wait to try my solves. What I'm interested in graphing out is the percentage difference.
It's good to see evidence that kills the "It's the cuber not the cube" mantra that is too often misused.

#### MostEd

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Rubik's Brand Modded, lubed(the best rubik's cube out of the 2)
32.99, 25.36, 28.76, 33.21, 31.94
avg5: 31.23 (σ = 1.80)

Rubik's Brand Barely modded litle lubed(sucks kinda)
29.03, 34.21, 22.21, 33.04, 25.82
avg5: 29.30 (σ = 2.95)

Dayan Guhong(modded, lubed, really nice)
27.74, 33.42, 24.19, 28.97, 23.06
avg5: 26.97 (σ = 2.03)

There, used the same scrambles, actually JK.

Used QQ timer ones, seriously i rarely do poster scrambles

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#### 5BLD

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You shouldn't use the same scrambles as you've gone through the solve already.

#### Reinier Schippers

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Rubiks brands average of 100: 15.67
Guhong average 100: 12.31

3,3 sec difference but my storebought is amazing

#### Lucas Garron

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It was about 7pm when I did these solves and ive been cubing all day, so i dont think its a HUGE factor.
No, how do you account for hands getting warmed up throughout the session? I'm just noting that you should be careful that things like what order you try the cubes in might make a significant difference in times. Maybe it doesn't, but you're measuring exactly that difference – so you can't tell when it does.

(Note that a storebought might be easier to turn with hands that have been doing a few solves, while a good cube always handles decently. Or maybe it would be the other around, too: Storeboughts make your hands apply more force, which makes good cubes easier to turn consistently.)

#### Thorsten

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Rubiks Brand (lubed, but not played in, horrible cube):
Avg. of 5: 35.06

Rubiks Brand (lubed, broken in, my first cube):
Avg. of 5: 30:75

Guhong (lubed, modded, broken in, main cube):
Avg. of 5: 26:06 (can do better^^)