Ok so i have a slight understanding of f2l but it takes me soooo long to pair and insert them. I dont know where to got to learn the algorithms and how to take less time trying to pair them. aAmost every YT vid is towards intermediate and that confuses me even more. Can anyone help me or guide me in the right direction. If we need to fully discuss things i have discord so just ask for it.
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[Help Thread] I Dont fully understand f2l very well
Metallic Silver
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Maybe you're not ready or comfortable with F2L yet.
Use this instead until you feel comfortable moving on to F2L whenever you feel ready.
F2L is very difficult and it takes experience (like A LOT) to get used to.
Use this instead until you feel comfortable moving on to F2L whenever you feel ready.
F2L is very difficult and it takes experience (like A LOT) to get used to.
Don't worry, I avarage 16.5 sec and when I started learning CFOP about four months ago I couldn't. I spent a whole week leterally each day I wake up, open Jperm's intuitive f2l vid and get confused and then WADDLE AWAY WADDLE WADDLE. Back to the point, if you can't understand f2l, that's normal. Just keep SWIMMING SWIMMING(stop with the puns) As I was saying, I found out later that I was confused BUTT. 
THATS IT I'M DONE.... EHHHHH I probably should focus on the point. I thought I was confused but in fact if you gave me an f2l pair I could solve it but I wasn't comfortable with it. So I think you should watch a couple of intuitive f2l vids and then practice for a week and see if you become comfortable with it
THATS IT I'M DONE.... EHHHHH I probably should focus on the point. I thought I was confused but in fact if you gave me an f2l pair I could solve it but I wasn't comfortable with it. So I think you should watch a couple of intuitive f2l vids and then practice for a week and see if you become comfortable with itMy most dreaded word in tutorials is 'intuitive', because IMO that usually means 'screw you, i'm not going to help'. 
Some people are happy with the 'throw you in & you either sink or swim' method, but that's just not me. If I mess up, I need to know where I went wrong, not be told 'keep at it and you'll get there' - the latter just disincentivizes me.
Some people are happy with the 'throw you in & you either sink or swim' method, but that's just not me. If I mess up, I need to know where I went wrong, not be told 'keep at it and you'll get there' - the latter just disincentivizes me.
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Metallic Silver
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I don't like intuition because it just makes you think and experience by yourself instead of actually speedsolving with useful tools, strategies, and algs.
Well he said he doesn't fully understand f2l which means he is still in the "Beginner stage" so intuitive f2l is better than algorithmic f2l. Later he could learn algorithmic f2l but early on intuitive I'm better
qwr
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intuitive f2l is a huge misnomer because it's really pattern recognition and muscle memory. if you've put in enough solves you won't see anything truly new. there's only so many ways f2l pairs can be arranged.
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in algorithmic F2L, you literally doesn't need to think, in intuitive F2L, you will have to be aware of many things, and beginners often don't really know how things work.
PetrusQuber
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Maybe try looking at some basic algorithms and intuitively understand how they works, instead of figuring everything out completely.
qwr
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I highly recommend watching this a few times and really understanding what is going on here.
You must understand the idea of pairs and inserting pairs to advance any further.
You must understand the idea of pairs and inserting pairs to advance any further.
Do I detect a little sarcasm there?
I should point out that when you're learning a new puzzle/technique you're not going to be *speedsolving* with it for a while anyway...
My point is that we all learn in different ways, some of us prefer a more structured approach, at least until we are comfortable.
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From what I can tell, "Intuitive F2L" just means learning the fundamental principles of finding corner-edge pairs, splitting them up if necessary, then (re-)pairing them up, and inserting them into their slots. Eventually, after enough practice and experience, this process will become so internalized that it will feel similar to OLL or PLL in that your brain will recognize "cases" and your muscle memory will execute the necessary moves without you having to think about each of the individual steps that are involved (I'm not there yet myself). They become akin to algorithms. However, I am told (in another thread) that F2L is not an algorithm-based process per se. At least not in terms of how you learn and practice it (except possibly for a few really "tough" cases).
So, intuitive F2L refers to learning the following steps for each of the four slots that need to be solved:
So, intuitive F2L refers to learning the following steps for each of the four slots that need to be solved:
- Find a matching corner/edge pair of cubies.
- Set them up on the top layer so they can be "paired up" properly. (This may require splitting them up first.)
- Pair them up and insert them into their "slot".
thank you
zslane
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How does splitting bad pairs present a problem for you?
I'm A Cuber
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I think we have another intuitive f2b alg driller here
Ander
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I learnt by watching
Watch it and learn the three basic cases. The rest is all exercise. Or so they tell me: my times still suck
BTW: Feliks Zemdegs learnt F2L from these videos. He said so himself.
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