[Help Thread] Hoya Discussion

[arquillian]

7 first 4, 11 cross + l2c, 9 EP, 12 3x3 are my approximate splits at 39-40 average, I've pretty much switched to Yau now though

 

[CurlyFries]

Hoya for 6x6 and 7x7
It is widely understood that for the big(ger) cube events, Yau's limitations in the center building stage is not made up for in look-ahead as in 4x4 and possibly 5x5, deeming it a (mostly) non-viable option for speedsolving. It is widely suggested . that you should use freeslice/redux instead. I believe that the best alternative to redux is the Hoya method. It combines the benefit of redux center building with the better look-ahead during the L8E and 3x3 stages of Yau. To me, it seems like the perfect compromise. So the question here is, why is no one using it, and what do you think about it?

 

[Chree]

Some people use it.

 

[abunickabhi]

Yay I also use Hoya on big cubes.

 

[KAINOS]

I actually do not use hoya on 5x5 and bigger while I do on 4x4. It seems like to me that forming cross edges gets more inefficient movecount-wise as you move onto bigger puzzle, but maybe better lookahead could give you some edge, like how it is in 4x4? Not sure though.

 

[Chree]

I actually do not use hoya on 5x5 and bigger while I do on 4x4. It seems like to me that forming cross edges gets more inefficient movecount-wise as you move onto bigger puzzle, but maybe better lookahead could give you some edge, like how it is in 4x4? Not sure though.

Hoya can be surprisingly efficient for 5x5. There are a lot of small tricks you can do that feel almost like F2L algs, so speed isn't super compromised versus other methods.

Again, I give you Luke:

As for cubes bigger than 5x5... I think the inefficiency of Hoya is (possibly) a myth. Mostly because you can take advantage of techniques like "solving more than one cross piece at a time"... which is a boost to lookahead because there's almost always a cross piece in U or F that you can work with. Fewer pauses and all the tricks. It's pretty fun to use on big cubes, too!

 

[arquillian]

buuuump lmao
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got a nice sub 1 5x5 hoya solve, but got carried by super lucky l4e - one slice flip slice and then just a 3 cycle

at this point I don't honestly care whether or not hoya is more efficient or move optimal or whatever....I started doing 5x5 after some 6-7 months and did some hoya solves because I was bored - and I liked it enough that it made me start seriously practicing 5x5.

 

[Eli Apperson]

buuuump lmao
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got a nice sub 1 5x5 hoya solve, but got carried by super lucky l4e - one slice flip slice and then just a 3 cycle

at this point I don't honestly care whether or not hoya is more efficient or move optimal or whatever....I started doing 5x5 after some 6-7 months and did some hoya solves because I was bored - and I liked it enough that it made me start seriously practicing 5x5.

Yeah I fully agree. The reason I started using Hoya is becuase Redux and Yau were just so boring. Hoya makes big cubes a lot more interesting, therefore I practice more.

 

[arquillian]

did three walkthrough solves that might be helpful idk

 

[Lazy Einstein]

So, where is Hoya at these days?

Any world class users?
Better for 777 than 444 or good for 444+?
Any Hoya docs made?(the sites are breaking)

 

[abunickabhi]

 

[abunickabhi]

So, where is Hoya at these days?

Any world class users?
Better for 777 than 444 or good for 444+?
Any Hoya docs made?(the sites are breaking)

Yes there are a few world class solvers, but still not WRs and CRs using Hoya

 

[abunickabhi]

did three walkthrough solves that might be helpful idk

Thanks for this video resource yo

 

[Caleb Valenzuela]

@That0newe1rdo is gonna be the next fastest hoya user in the entire flat globe

 

[Yann1qua12DagOat]

Let's hope so XD

 

[That0newe1rdo]

Id love that.

@That0newe1rdo is gonna be the next fastest hoya user in the entire flat globe

(I finally beat pb again as well - almost sub 1 single)
Watch me be sub 30 by 2030 or something

 

[TyRoJo]

I believe in the flat earth

WHAT

 

[Caleb Valenzuela]

WHAT

hey i didn't say that

 

[That0newe1rdo]

found this - might decrease Hoya's mc to be identical to Yau or possibly have less moves then Yau

tmk this might be able to have algs for when you have the left (or right) f3l pair solved and the last edge on top

 

[abunickabhi]

found this - might decrease Hoya's mc to be identical to Yau or possibly have less moves then Yau

tmk this might be able to have algs for when you have the left (or right) f3l pair solved and the last edge on top

This is very nice concept, thanks for sharing yo