Guys we're screwed

[PapaSmurf]

The other thing to remember is that this has no bearing on 99.9% of us. I was never going to get the WR, so why should it bother me that people are nearing sub 4 averages when I've never had a sub 5 single at home?

You are only screwed if you want to be dramatic. Instead, well done Xuanyi, I hope you can pull it off next time!

 

[Garf]

The other thing to remember is that this has no bearing on 99.9% of us. I was never going to get the WR, so why should it bother me that people are nearing sub 4 averages when I've never had a sub 5 single at home?

You are only screwed if you want to be dramatic. Instead, well done Xuanyi, I hope you can pull it off next time!

agreed since a lot of cubers don't care about WR. It's either simple progression, collections, or even making tutorials and critiques for people to enjoy and learn from. Then there's that 1% on YouTube that *shudders* makes those 4 move solve videos.

 

[GenTheSnail]

I'm curious if you would consider us screwed if Luke Garret was the one who had gotten a 4.3 average. What's the issue with someone else closing in on the sub4 barrier? Why are we screwed that cubers are improving at the sport? Isn't that a good thing?

This post reeks of xenophobia. Do better.

 

[Sombi McJunior]

I'm curious if you would consider us screwed if Luke Garret was the one who had gotten a 4.3 average. What's the issue with someone else closing in on the sub4 barrier? Why are we screwed that cubers are improving at the sport? Isn't that a good thing?

This post reeks of xenophobia. Do better.

i would also have said we’re screwed if luke max or tymon got a 4.3 avg

But they haven’t

Not defending xenophobia

 

[yes cubing]

@bldcuber314 @Caleb Valenzuela @Puzzle Maniac yall were in the stucube video

at 0:40

 

[bldcuber314]

@bldcuber314 @Caleb Valenzuela @Puzzle Maniac yall were in the stucube video

at 0:40

'I always knew this was possible but never expected it to actually happen'

 

[OtaMota]

i would also have said we’re screwed if luke max or tymon got a 4.3 avg

Maybe not you specifically, but I tend to see more negative reactions from people to young Chinese people than older westerns. For example in 2x2 times, when someone gets a good 2x2 time, an announcement is made in the 2x2 solvers discord celebrating the achievement, and if that person is from the west, there will be a lot of fire reactions and positive talk from the server members. When Yiheng got his 0.88 average however, or when people like Ziyu or Huining get PRs, they get skull emoted, and don't receive the positive congrats that the western cubers get. I think that reflecting the above, if Tymon got a 4.3 average, there would be less talk of "were screwed" (a phrase that makes no sense regardless of who got the good time)


Evidence, Zayn or Roman OcR get lots of fire reacts or other positive reactions


While Yiheng gets skulled reacted


Top Player (top 25 or better) times from China get skull reacted, or do not receive a fire emote. (By the way, in case you didn't know, a fire react is positive, and its similar to saying "that's cool" or "good job" or "that's fire")



While a measly WR87 will get some fire reacts.


I do think that there seems to be some negative biases towards younger people in the cubing community (yeah I say younger instead of eastern or Chinese, because from my experience, Teodor Zajder, an 8 year old Polish kid, is more likely to get skull reacted that Jiazhou Li, a guy from China who could plausibly be older than Zayn. It's just that most of the young prodigies come from China, Though I do think that age is more of a factor to the biases than race is, it would be incorrect of me not to mention that race is also a factor.) We should celebrate the achievements that people make regardless of their age or race.

 

[Eric4112]

Yes, he’s listed.

It is tough for him to get a visa if he applies now.

Has Xuanyi regged yet for Seattle 2025?

I think he regestired

 

[Eric4112]

The other thing to remember is that this has no bearing on 99.9% of us. I was never going to get the WR, so why should it bother me that people are nearing sub 4 averages when I've never had a sub 5 single at home?

You are only screwed if you want to be dramatic. Instead, well done Xuanyi, I hope you can pull it off next time!

it was a joke about the screwed part

 

[Eric4112]

I'm curious if you would consider us screwed if Luke Garret was the one who had gotten a 4.3 average. What's the issue with someone else closing in on the sub4 barrier? Why are we screwed that cubers are improving at the sport? Isn't that a good thing?

This post reeks of xenophobia. Do better.

but xuanyi is 8 yrs old

 

[Eric4112]

To be clear the screwed part is just a joke/ funny sayijng

 

[stoic]

Well this thread got VERY weird very quickly.
We’re counting and interpreting emojis looking for hidden racism now??

It’s obvious what the OP was getting at, and he even praises Yiheng for being so good in my reading.

Evidence, Zayn or Roman OcR get lots of fire reacts or other positive reactions

There’s nothing that ever happens in 2x2 where someone doesn’t bring Zayn into it, he’s got an enormous following.

 

[turtwig]

I'm curious if you would consider us screwed if Luke Garret was the one who had gotten a 4.3 average. What's the issue with someone else closing in on the sub4 barrier? Why are we screwed that cubers are improving at the sport? Isn't that a good thing?

This post reeks of xenophobia. Do better.

People always insist on being dramatic... the obvious difference is age, not race. We expect the WR holder to be around Luke Garret's age, as it has usually been in the past. That Xuanyi is only 8 is hard to comprehend, and we would only expect him to get significantly better as he becomes the typical age of WR holders in the past (15-20). Xuanyi is still rapidly improving, whereas if Luke or Tymon got a 4.3 average, it would not be as indicative of a rapid downward trend and more of getting lucky, since their overall times have not been improving nearly as quickly.
On top of this, I don't see why it's racism if people are more excited or have a different reaction to people from, say, the US, getting a record compared to somewhere like China. For me the biggest difference is that English-speaking cubers (and I would include someone like Tymon who speaks English fluently) make content and are involved, to various degrees, in English-speaking cubing communities, whereas the Chinese kids are generally more absent, both because of the language barrier and because of their age. It's easy to feel more familiar with someone like Luke as someone who consumes English-language content, whereas the Chinese kids are mostly unknown in terms of their personality, and the feeling of distance is only exacerbated by their ridiculously high skill level. I'm sure it's somewhat the opposite in China for the same reasons, although there is a bit of asymmetry since the English language is so dominant on the internet and in general.

 

[gsingh]

Yeah we've all heard of Xuanyi, Yiheng better start learning full ZBLL.
However Xuanyi's timer starts were a bit sketchy...

His timer stops were sketchy, not his starts

I'm curious if you would consider us screwed if Luke Garret was the one who had gotten a 4.3 average. What's the issue with someone else closing in on the sub4 barrier? Why are we screwed that cubers are improving at the sport? Isn't that a good thing?

This post reeks of xenophobia. Do better.

This post is just ridiculous. Of course nobody would be saying saying "we’re screwed" if Luke Garrett had gotten a 4.3 average, but that’s definitely not the reason you’re pointing out. Luke has been at the top level of 3x3 solving for a long time now, and he’s not exactly known for insane improvement in 3x3. If he somehow pulled off an official 4.3 average (which, honestly, would probably be an overall PB for him), most people would probably chalk it up to a fluke. But Xuanyi? That’s a completely different story. The dude’s made huge progress in just over a year. When we saw him compete for the first time last September, he was averaging over 6 seconds, but now he’s probably globaling sub-5. Do you realize how crazy that is? Add his age, insane inspection skills, and his ZB knowledge into the mix, and that’s why people are so impressed with him—not because of his nationality.

As for the idea that anyone’s got an issue with someone getting close to sub-4, I don’t think that’s been brought up anywhere in this thread. Most people, including OP, are just in awe of how incredible Xuanyi’s 3x3 solving is. It’s pretty wild to suggest that any xenophobia is involved here—it’s just pure admiration for his insane solving.

 

[cuberswoop]

This post reeks of xenophobia. Do better.

how dare we be shocked at the Chinese children that come out of nowhere that are suddenly better and faster than everyone else where it used to be unheard of for anyone under the age of 13~ getting records. Allow us some shock please

Maybe not you specifically, but I tend to see more negative reactions from people to young Chinese people than older westerns. For example in 2x2 times, when someone gets a good 2x2 time, an announcement is made in the 2x2 solvers discord celebrating the achievement, and if that person is from the west, there will be a lot of fire reactions and positive talk from the server members. When Yiheng got his 0.88 average however, or when people like Ziyu or Huining get PRs, they get skull emoted, and don't receive the positive congrats that the western cubers get. I think that reflecting the above, if Tymon got a 4.3 average, there would be less talk of "were screwed" (a phrase that makes no sense regardless of who got the good time)


Evidence, Zayn or Roman OcR get lots of fire reacts or other positive reactions
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While Yiheng gets skulled reacted
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Top Player (top 25 or better) times from China get skull reacted, or do not receive a fire emote. (By the way, in case you didn't know, a fire react is positive, and its similar to saying "that's cool" or "good job" or "that's fire")
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While a measly WR87 will get some fire reacts.
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I do think that there seems to be some negative biases towards younger people in the cubing community (yeah I say younger instead of eastern or Chinese, because from my experience, Teodor Zajder, an 8 year old Polish kid, is more likely to get skull reacted that Jiazhou Li, a guy from China who could plausibly be older than Zayn. It's just that most of the young prodigies come from China, Though I do think that age is more of a factor to the biases than race is, it would be incorrect of me not to mention that race is also a factor.) We should celebrate the achievements that people make regardless of their age or race.

I dont even got a joke for this one man, you're reading into this more than I read into texts with a girl. If some internet reactions are valid grounds for racism now we may as well shut the internet down

 

[Eric4112]

how dare we be shocked at the Chinese children that come out of nowhere that are suddenly better and faster than everyone else where it used to be unheard of for anyone under the age of 13~ getting records. Allow us some shock please


I dont even got a joke for this one man, you're reading into this more than I read into texts with a girl. If some internet reactions are valid grounds for racism now we may as well shut the internet down

ik right

 

[KubikPanda]

No, we are not "screwed" (and yes, I know what that means). It just means that he started practicing earlier than all of us, and maybe God meant for him to be that good at cubing, perhapsibly better than us. But yes, he is very good, and I mean VERY good at cubing, and it is INSANE how much algs he knows from that age, but good job to him.

 

[efattah]

The irony about feeling 'humiliated' by extremely young cubers is that it should be the opposite. There is an old joke, a woman is trying to learn Chinese and says it is too hard. Her husband points to a child and says, 'look, that 4 year old can speak it, how hard can it be?' The answer is: very hard. It has now been discovered (not surprisingly) that if you train a child to cube (hard-train), from a young age, their brain will 'grow' and develop into a cubing brain almost like a biological supercomputer. I fully suspect that if started at a young enough age, with enough sample population, that we would see (a few) 10-year olds one looking the entire solve (ZBLL method) in inspection, since their biological supercomputer is wired for cubing.

What would be actually humiliating is if a 30-year old picked up cubing for the first time, and within 2 years was getting 4 second averages. Don't feel humiliated by young kids whose brains have developed into cubing brains, giving them an insurmountable advantage, and whose hands have also literally 'grown' into cubing machines.

Now there is one area that the child does not have an advantage; I suspect such a child's brain becomes hard-wired into the method they grow up with. I think it highly unlikely these kids would have any power at developing a drastically different method for solving the cube. If there even exists a method better than CFOP-ZBLL, it is unlikely to be discovered by cubing-child-prodigies.

 

[Eric4112]

The irony about feeling 'humiliated' by extremely young cubers is that it should be the opposite. There is an old joke, a woman is trying to learn Chinese and says it is too hard. Her husband points to a child and says, 'look, that 4 year old can speak it, how hard can it be?' The answer is: very hard. It has now been discovered (not surprisingly) that if you train a child to cube (hard-train), from a young age, their brain will 'grow' and develop into a cubing brain almost like a biological supercomputer. I fully suspect that if started at a young enough age, with enough sample population, that we would see (a few) 10-year olds one looking the entire solve (ZBLL method) in inspection, since their biological supercomputer is wired for cubing.

What would be actually humiliating is if a 30-year old picked up cubing for the first time, and within 2 years was getting 4 second averages. Don't feel humiliated by young kids whose brains have developed into cubing brains, giving them an insurmountable advantage, and whose hands have also literally 'grown' into cubing machines.

Now there is one area that the child does not have an advantage; I suspect such a child's brain becomes hard-wired into the method they grow up with. I think it highly unlikely these kids would have any power at developing a drastically different method for solving the cube. If there even exists a method better than CFOP-ZBLL, it is unlikely to be discovered by cubing-child-prodigies.

im not humilitated the title was a joke to be funny

 

[FenTheGoat]

This post reeks of xenophobia. Do better.

If it was a 20 year old man, do you think we’d have the same reaction? No. (Unless it was also someone who came out of nowhere.)