Guys we're screwed

[Eric4112]

This 8 year old almost got the first sub 4 average.
He's called Xuanyi Geng, and this is his times for second round in a comp:
3.89 3.90 5.17 4.02 5.03
If he got a better final solve he would have beaten Yiheng and possibly gotten the first sub 4 average. The reason he messed up the 11.03 is he did a really wierd alg which gave him a bad oll and a terrible ZBLL (yes he does ZBLL all 500 algs). But if he did a better alg, he would've gotten a oll skip and would get one of the easiest ZBLL's.
Needless to say we are screwed. I never in a million years thought Yiheng would have competition.
By the way the comp was Hangzhou Open 2024

 

[Eric4112]

yeah we're definely screwed

 

[AhsanDaCuber125]

Yeah we've all heard of Xuanyi, Yiheng better start learning full ZBLL.
However Xuanyi's timer starts were a bit sketchy...

 

[xyzzy]

If he got a better final solve

But he did not.

But if he did a better alg, he would've gotten a oll skip and would get one of the easiest ZBLL's.

1. But he did not.
2. I can't even figure out what "better alg" you're referring to here. These are all the OLS algs up to 12 moves and they all seem to be worse than the ZBLS that Xuanyi actually used:

Spoiler

Searching depth 10

R U' B U2 B' L U' R' U L' (10f*)
Searching depth 11

U' R B U2 B2 R' U' R U B R' (11f)
U' F' U F' B L F L' B' U F (11f)
R U L' B R B R' B' L U R' (11f)
R U' R' U L F' R' F R F L' (11f)
R U' B U2 B' L U' R' U L' U (11f)
R U' B U2 B' L U' R' U L' U2 (11f)
R U' B U2 B' L U' R' U L' U' (11f)
Searching depth 12

U F2 U' F2 L F2 L' F2 U F U' F (12f)
U F' U' L2 B L B2 U B U L F (12f)
U' R U' R2 F' L' F R F' L U' F (12f)
U' R U' R' U2 B U' F' U B' U F (12f)
U' R B U2 B2 R' U' R U B R' U (12f)
U' R B U2 B2 R' U' R U B R' U2 (12f)
U' R B U2 B2 R' U' R U B R' U' (12f)
U' F' U F' B L F L' B' U F U (12f)
U' F' U F' B L F L' B' U F U2 (12f)
U' F' U F' B L F L' B' U F U' (12f)
U' F' U2 R U' F' L F L' U R' F (12f)
U' F' U2 R L' U B' U' B R' L F (12f)
U' F' U2 F U R U2 B U' B' U' R' (12f)
R U L' B R B R' B' L U R' U (12f)
R U L' B R B R' B' L U R' U2 (12f)
R U L' B R B R' B' L U R' U' (12f)
R U' R' U L F' R' F R F L' U (12f)
R U' R' U L F' R' F R F L' U2 (12f)
R U' R' U L F' R' F R F L' U' (12f)
R U' R' F R' F' L D' F2 D R L' (12f)
R U' B U2 B2 U2 B U B' U B R' (12f)
R B2 U2 R B R' U2 B' U B' U R' (12f)
R2 D L' B' L D' R' B U' B' U' R' (12f)
F U R U' R' F B D' L' D F2 B' (12f)

3. T ZBLL is good on average so "bad OLL and a terrible ZBLL" is an insane take. It turned out that this was one of the garbo T ZBLLs, but I feel like it's not very realistic at this point to plan multiple ZBF2L solutions in inspection to pick the one that gives the nicest ZBLL.

 

[Eric4112]

Yeah we've all heard of Xuanyi, Yiheng better start learning full ZBLL.
However Xuanyi's timer starts were a bit sketchy...

ik but wca did say they can't go frame-by frame

 

[precompsubwr]

ik but wca did say they can't go frame-by frame

Since the 0.78 was penalized you are actually allowed to go frame by frame for bad timer starts, but still not for timer stops

 

[Eric4112]

But he did not.


1. But he did not.
2. I can't even figure out what "better alg" you're referring to here. These are all the OLS algs up to 12 moves and they all seem to be worse than the ZBLS that Xuanyi actually used:

Spoiler

Searching depth 10

R U' B U2 B' L U' R' U L' (10f*)
Searching depth 11

U' R B U2 B2 R' U' R U B R' (11f)
U' F' U F' B L F L' B' U F (11f)
R U L' B R B R' B' L U R' (11f)
R U' R' U L F' R' F R F L' (11f)
R U' B U2 B' L U' R' U L' U (11f)
R U' B U2 B' L U' R' U L' U2 (11f)
R U' B U2 B' L U' R' U L' U' (11f)
Searching depth 12

U F2 U' F2 L F2 L' F2 U F U' F (12f)
U F' U' L2 B L B2 U B U L F (12f)
U' R U' R2 F' L' F R F' L U' F (12f)
U' R U' R' U2 B U' F' U B' U F (12f)
U' R B U2 B2 R' U' R U B R' U (12f)
U' R B U2 B2 R' U' R U B R' U2 (12f)
U' R B U2 B2 R' U' R U B R' U' (12f)
U' F' U F' B L F L' B' U F U (12f)
U' F' U F' B L F L' B' U F U2 (12f)
U' F' U F' B L F L' B' U F U' (12f)
U' F' U2 R U' F' L F L' U R' F (12f)
U' F' U2 R L' U B' U' B R' L F (12f)
U' F' U2 F U R U2 B U' B' U' R' (12f)
R U L' B R B R' B' L U R' U (12f)
R U L' B R B R' B' L U R' U2 (12f)
R U L' B R B R' B' L U R' U' (12f)
R U' R' U L F' R' F R F L' U (12f)
R U' R' U L F' R' F R F L' U2 (12f)
R U' R' U L F' R' F R F L' U' (12f)
R U' R' F R' F' L D' F2 D R L' (12f)
R U' B U2 B2 U2 B U B' U B R' (12f)
R B2 U2 R B R' U2 B' U B' U R' (12f)
R2 D L' B' L D' R' B U' B' U' R' (12f)
F U R U' R' F B D' L' D F2 B' (12f)

3. T ZBLL is good on average so "bad OLL and a terrible ZBLL" is an insane take. It turned out that this was one of the garbo T ZBLLs, but I feel like it's not very realistic at this point to plan multiple ZBF2L solutions in inspection to pick the one that gives the nicest ZBLL.

@xyzzy
The "bad alg" I'm taliking about is when he does the last pair and also simultaneousley does cross on top to get oll and ZBLL, and the "better alg" is Good alg: R U' R' U r U' R' U R U r'(oll skip jb)
Bad alg: R U' R' F R' F' R U2 R U R' (gives 17 move ZBLL)

 

[Eric4112]

Since the 0.78 was penalized you are actually allowed to go frame by frame for bad timer starts, but still not for timer stops

wait really?

 

[precompsubwr]

@xyzzy
The "bad alg" I'm taliking about is when he does the last pair and also simultaneousley does cross on top to get oll and ZBLL, and the "better alg" is Good alg: R U' R' U r U' R' U R U r' (gives 17 move ZBLL)
Bad alg: R U' R' F R' F' R U2 R U R' (oll skip jb)

It's supposed to be the other way around? The good alg is the one that gives oll skip

wait really?

yep

 

[Eric4112]

It's supposed to be the other way around? The good alg is the one that gives oll skip


yep

yes it's the other way typo

 

[xyzzy]

The "bad alg" I'm taliking about is when he does the last pair and also simultaneousley does cross on top to get oll and ZBLL, and the "better alg" is Good alg: R U' R' U r U' R' U R U r'(oll skip jb)
Bad alg: R U' R' F R' F' R U2 R U R' (gives 17 move ZBLL)

Meanwhile, in an alternate universe where the last layer edges were permuted differently (all else equal), it could have been a 8/9-move ZBLL versus an R perm, and in yet another alternate universe where the last layer corners were also oriented differently, it could have been a J perm versus this bad T case.

You need to look at the method as a whole, not by nitpicking individual solves. In some situations, method A is better, and in some other situations, method B is better, so the real question is: when you cannot easily distinguish whether you're in the former type of situation or the latter type, which method is better on average? Or if you're at the frontier and hunting for records (as opposed to just trying to do well), which method will give you better chances of breaking a record?

I don't think it's set in stone that the RrU alg you wrote is definitively better than the hedge-based alg that Xuanyi used (but also I was clearly not awake enough to notice it in the Cube Explorer output – clearly I have not genned algs in a while). RrU forces a grip shift that the hedge-based alg doesn't need.

 

[Eric4112]

Meanwhile, in an alternate universe where the last layer edges were permuted differently (all else equal), it could have been a 8/9-move ZBLL versus an R perm, and in yet another alternate universe where the last layer corners were also oriented differently, it could have been a J perm versus this bad T case.

You need to look at the method as a whole, not by nitpicking individual solves. In some situations, method A is better, and in some other situations, method B is better, so the real question is: when you cannot easily distinguish whether you're in the former type of situation or the latter type, which method is better on average? Or if you're at the frontier and hunting for records (as opposed to just trying to do well), which method will give you better chances of breaking a record?

I don't think it's set in stone that the RrU alg you wrote is definitively better than the hedge-based alg that Xuanyi used (but also I was clearly not awake enough to notice it in the Cube Explorer output – clearly I have not genned algs in a while). RrU forces a grip shift that the hedge-based alg doesn't need.

I mean bad alg for this solve and this case

 

[Swagrid]

Oh no, somebody using a unique approach and solving style is finding success. This is terrible. We are all doomed.

 

[Eric4112]

Oh no, somebody using a unique approach and solving style is finding success. This is terrible. We are all doomed.

lol

 

[BVCuber13]

This 8 year old almost got the first sub 4 average.
He's called Xuanyi Geng, and this is his times for second round in a comp:
3.89 3.90 5.17 4.02 5.03
If he got a better final solve he would have beaten Yiheng and possibly gotten the first sub 4 average. The reason he messed up the 11.03 is he did a really wierd alg which gave him a bad oll and a terrible ZBLL (yes he does ZBLL all 500 algs). But if he did a better alg, he would've gotten a oll skip and would get one of the easiest ZBLL's.
Needless to say we are screwed. I never in a million years thought Yiheng would have competition.
By the way the comp was Hangzhou Open 2024

we already have multiple threads for this topic, you can check those out and post this in there without clogging up the home page with more threads that have already been talked about. great points though

 

[Caleb Valenzuela]

the only thing thats getting screwed is my chances of becoming world champion (jk nothing is getting screwed here except for yiheng)

 

[abunickabhi]

This 8 year old almost got the first sub 4 average.
He's called Xuanyi Geng, and this is his times for second round in a comp:
3.89 3.90 5.17 4.02 5.03
If he got a better final solve he would have beaten Yiheng and possibly gotten the first sub 4 average. The reason he messed up the 11.03 is he did a really wierd alg which gave him a bad oll and a terrible ZBLL (yes he does ZBLL all 500 algs). But if he did a better alg, he would've gotten a oll skip and would get one of the easiest ZBLL's.
Needless to say we are screwed. I never in a million years thought Yiheng would have competition.
By the way the comp was Hangzhou Open 2024

I have seen Xuanyi Geng upclose.

It is a matter of time before he becomes the undisputed world record holder for a very long time!

 

[Eric4112]

I have seen Xuanyi Geng upclose.

It is a matter of time before he becomes the undisputed world record holder for a very long time!

I predict he might have of shot of worlds 2025 if he goes

 

[abunickabhi]

I predict he might have of shot of worlds 2025 if he goes

It is tough for him to get a visa if he applies now.

Has Xuanyi regged yet for Seattle 2025?

 

[stoic]

It is tough for him to get a visa if he applies now.

Has Xuanyi regged yet for Seattle 2025?

Yes, he’s listed.