Color Neutral Debate

[Kirjava]

Can you post examples instead of claims?

 

[jskyler91]

Can you post examples instead of claims?

Sure, reread all of the posts u have ever made and Iam sure you will find plenty of things that are"an attempt to negate the truth of a claim by pointing out a negative characteristic or belief of the person supporting it." (wiki) I am going to bed btw so have a great night, I enjoyed our rounds today.

 

[Kirjava]

So you're going to claim I did something, but refuse to provide any evidence for it?

 

[Cubenovice]

Looking forward to a mod renaming this thread into "Jskyler Kirjava Debate"...

 

[CubeRoots]

People should learn in a colour neutral way, in my opinion. If you learn as a colour neutral cuber the whole Process of recognition and solving is completely intuitive and solving Cn is not a problem at all. I think that CN can sometimes allow for an insanely fast start to an f2l since there is almost always a lucky case on one side or another.

As for switching, i don't really know whether it's a good idea... as much as i'm comfortable with CN, so is the white cross solver with doing white first.

At the end of the day, the world #1 is CN. Just going off that alone people must see that it will make you faster in the long-run.

 

[Kirjava]

At the end of the day, the world #1 is CN. Just going off that alone people must see that it will make you faster in the long-run.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Correlation_does_not_imply_causation

 

[aronpm]

At the end of the day, the world #1 is CN. Just going off that alone people must see that it will make you faster in the long-run.

He's also Australian, loves Cadbury chocolate, and goes to school. See what Kirjava linked.

 

[CubeRoots]

I understaand your link even when I posted it. i was merely giving an example of a good cuber who is CN. Besides i could list many more. Loads of excellent cubers are CN or at least do two different sides.

 

[jonlin]

Again, you are thinking there is a lack of lookahead in being CN because you don't look at pieces in the CN way, but there isn't. IF you learn to look correctly then you will see patterns and shapes which are equally distinguishable no matter what color you see them on.

QQ is explaining that with all the practice in the world in being CN switching, and being comfortable, and looking them in the way YOU explain, recognition will still not be same as a white/yellow cross. You will still have this habit to be a little faster with the w/y cross. It's a goddam habit.
EDIT:

Looking forward to a mod renaming this thread into "Jskyler Kirjava Debate"...

You made my day.

 

[Johnny]

Why you should try color neutrality

For me, color neutrality takes away the stress of solving and makes it fun. For me, the whole point of cubing is fun, so I love that.

Also, it makes the cross stage way easier. It might throw you off a bit, but once you adapt to color neutrality it brings your cubing to a whole new level.

 

[Username]

Way easier = on move shorter cross on average and F2L recognition becoming harder, not worth it for me. This didn't convince me at all, you only told something that has been told before. It's also harder to switch at faster speeds.

 

[Johnny]

I said it's worth a try. I didn't say it would work for everyone. It works for me.

 

[BrainOfSweden]

Solving is already fun for me, and if I solve for the fastest time possible, I'll be stressed no matter what color I start with. But I do try some color neutral solves for variation now and then, just as I mix it up with other methods sometimes. But it has taken quite some time to build up my color recognition and lookahead, I don't feel very tempted to do that five more times just for the possibility of a super easy cross a little more often.

 

[Ross The Boss]

i tried to become colour neutral a few weeks ago. it was actually less fun because there was a huge sense of unfamiliarity when i was building my first block. I prefer the feeling of just solving with white or yellow on the bottom. i have actually stopped being even opposite colour neutral because i stopped practising it. i really should be opposite CN though, i miss out on a lot of easy first block cases.

 

[Frubix]

When you start with color neutrality, it's hard to adapt, but once adapted, it's amazing

 

[rj]

I am reverse CN. My problem is in Corner-Edge pairs. White & yellow have the same middle layer. No problem

 

[ianliu64]

I only do white and yellow :/
#NOOB

 

[JasonK]

I only do white and yellow :/
#NOOB

Current World Champion only does W/Y :tu

 

[kcl]

Yep, I'm white/yellow. Getting better at yellow now..

 

[cannon4747]

Its weird... I'm learning petrus for OH with color neutrality, but with everything else 3x3 I'm white on bottom. I'm really enjoying learning petrus too. Its a fun method, much better for OH than CFOP...