Change United Kingdom in WCA to England, Scotland, Wales, and Northern Ireland

[mencarikebenaran]

because many official sport comps use the 4 countries of UK instead of UK

 

[SkewbIsTheBestEvent]

because many official sport comps use the 4 countries of UK instead of UK

I disagree. If the UK was split into 4, then that would cause issues.

1. Make it harder to keep track of records.
2. Make easy NR's for people who didn't really even work hard to get.
3. They are not countries in the UK, they are regions that make up the UK, so they shouldn't be recognized as a country
4. I know this isn't a great analogy, but it would be like splitting the US into 50 different states.

 

[artless1der]

what about Cardiff?

 

[JDAW6]

what about Cardiff?

I’m not even British and I know Cardiff is a city

 

[GeographicalCuber]

I reckon the only good thing that would come out of it would be, for example, if you lived in England and you saw an english competition, you would know you won’t have to travel to Northern Ireland.

However, if a competition is marked as UK then it is more likely to get a larger audience of speedcubers.

 

[JohnnyReggae]

I disagree. If the UK was split into 4, then that would cause issues.

1. Make it harder to keep track of records.
2. Make easy NR's for people who didn't really even work hard to get.
3. They are not countries in the UK, they are regions that make up the UK, so they shouldn't be recognized as a country
4. I know this isn't a great analogy, but it would be like splitting the US into 50 different states.

England is a country, as is Wales, as is Scotland, and Ireland. Together form the United Kingdom, but they are countries. They are recognised as such by major sporting bodies such as FIFA. Football, rugby, cricket all have them as separate countries. Rugby world ranking currently has Ireland in 1st place, Scotland 5th, England 6th, and Wales in 10th

It is nothing like splitting the US' 50 states.

Don't really agree with not being able to keep track of records.

 

[cubenerd74]

England is a country, as is Wales, as is Scotland, and Ireland. Together form the United Kingdom, but they are countries. They are recognised as such by major sporting bodies such as FIFA. Football, rugby, cricket all have them as separate countries. Rugby world ranking currently has Ireland in 1st place, Scotland 5th, England 6th, and Wales in 10th

It is nothing like splitting the US' 50 states.

Don't really agree with not being able to keep track of records.

No. They used to be separate countries but now they're one. By that logic, I could argue that Korea needs to be split into 3, since there were 3 countries in Korea about 1400 years ago.

 

[SkewbIsTheBestEvent]

England is a country, as is Wales, as is Scotland, and Ireland. Together form the United Kingdom, but they are countries. They are recognised as such by major sporting bodies such as FIFA. Football, rugby, cricket all have them as separate countries. Rugby world ranking currently has Ireland in 1st place, Scotland 5th, England 6th, and Wales in 10th

It is nothing like splitting the US' 50 states.

Don't really agree with not being able to keep track of records.

So many sources from google recognize UK as a country and don't recognize England, Scotland, Wales, and Northern Ireland.

 

[quanloh]

Not apple to apple comparison, but does Hong Kong & Chinese Taipei has their own NR?
#politics #sensitiveissues

 

[Torrian]

As someone from Scotland I would definitely consider it to be a different country to England, Wales, and Northern Ireland. However, I do not believe that the WCA should split the UK into these 4 countries because of what has been said about Nrs. It would cause less competition in smaller countries in the UK as it would be far easier to get a good national ranking and I think its better to be ranked against competitors from all around the UK. Just my opinion though.

 

[Thom S.]

Not apple to apple comparison, but does Hong Kong & Chinese Taipei has their own NR?
#politics #sensitiveissues

Used to, got changed recently.

 

[abunickabhi]

I think the WCA should not change country names for a while.

Their last change was sudden and received a lot of backlash.

 

[OtaMota]

They do get NRs.

Used to, got changed recently.

 

[ProStar]

Popping in to say that England, Scotland, Wales, and Northern Ireland are indeed all their own independent nations, but the United Kingdom is also a sovereign nation (it’s a very confusing and silly setup). Some international bodies make a distinction for each of the countries, other lump them all into the UK banner. Neither is incorrect.

As far as my opinion on the original question; I don’t really see any reason to split it up. I agree with this person:

As someone from Scotland I would definitely consider it to be a different country to England, Wales, and Northern Ireland. However, I do not believe that the WCA should split the UK into these 4 countries because of what has been said about Nrs. It would cause less competition in smaller countries in the UK as it would be far easier to get a good national ranking and I think its better to be ranked against competitors from all around the UK. Just my opinion though.

Spoiler: Sources

Is the UK a country?

What is the difference between the British Isles, Great Britain, and the UK? Which countries are part of the UK? Is the UK a country?

evanevanstours.com

Countries of the United Kingdom - Wikipedia

en.m.wikipedia.org

 

[DistanceRunner25]

I don't believe that it would make too much of a difference in rankings, and it feels like a silly thing to change as the WCA hasn't received any backlash from citizens of the United Kingdom and it wouldn't change too much.

 

[TyRoJo]

The Northern Islanders would

 

[yes cubing]

There are many cubers from Northern Ireland. They get the option to represent the UK or Ireland, most choose Ireland from what I've seen. People born in Northern Ireland get an Irish passport and a UK passport, as there is no such thing as a Northern Irish passport, nor is there Scottish passports, Welsh passports, or English passports. Regulation 2e says "Competitors must represent a country of which they hold citizenship". You cannot be a citizen of Northern Ireland, Scotland, Wales, or England.

There have been 3 comps in Northern Ireland. One in 2013, one in 2023, and 2024. The two recent ones saw people from all over Ireland and the UK. Ireland is a very small country, people from the republic would not be very far away from a theoretical Northern Irish Champs. I myself would possibly go.

 

[stoic]

No one will got to northern Ireland nationals

I would!

 

[Thomas.Caleb]

True

There are many cubers from Northern Ireland. They get the option to represent the UK or Ireland, most choose Ireland from what I've seen. People born in Northern Ireland get an Irish passport and a UK passport, as there is no such thing as a Northern Irish passport, nor is there Scottish passports, Welsh passports, or English passports. Regulation 2e says "Competitors must represent a country of which they hold citizenship". You cannot be a citizen of Northern Ireland, Scotland, Wales, or England.

There have been 3 comps in Northern Ireland. One in 2013, one in 2023, and 2024. The two recent ones saw people from all over Ireland and the UK. Ireland is a very small country, people from the republic would not be very far away from a theoretical Northern Irish Champs. I myself would possibly go.

I went to the one last year and cooked

 

[TheSpeedSkewber]

No one will got to northern Ireland nationals