Arnaud's 5x5x5 Edge-Pairing method: Examples

[aznblur]

1 more question does it matter if you slice using 'u' instead of 'd'? Is there any advantage using one or the other

Just preference really.

 

[Harry]

Wait, there is a move in your tutorial 4b/4u, etc. Does that make the layer stays the same?

 

[Alex DiTuro]

The scramble isn't working for me. I pretty much get a scrambled 3x3x3 because all the edge pairs are together. What am I doing wrong?

 

[AvGalen]

You didn't perform the l and r moves correct.
L means you only turn the layer on the left
l means you turn both layers on the left (the two outermost layers)
same for R and r

Big letters mean only the outer layer, small letters mean the two outermost layers

 

[genwin]

i'm beginning to feel comfortable with the beginners method(not fast but i'm happy with it)... so how do i go from beginner to intermediate?? without the "pre-setup" moves, i'm getting stuck and ending up doing the beginners method...

 

[AvGalen]

After I get backup from US Open I will make a video tutorial. That will be online in about a month from now.

In the mean time, check out Eriks video tutorial on youtube and continue practising the examples here

 

[Lt-UnReaL]

So, this seems to be the edge pairing method that most of the fast guys use now?

 

[Leviticus]

So, this seems to be the edge pairing method that most of the fast guys use now?

Pfft No. Bigcubes FTW!

 

[Mike Hughey]

So, this seems to be the edge pairing method that most of the fast guys use now?

Pfft No. Bigcubes FTW!

Some do, some don't. I'd guess it's about 50/50.

 

[AvGalen]

Of the really fast guys (continuously sub 1:45) I only know Erik and Mátyás. But I have had many cubers come to me at a competition saying "I use your method for 5x5x5" so I guess it is about as popular as bigcubes already. I also think most "new" 5x5x5 speedsolvers are using AVG-edges (Ron and many other experienced 5x5x5 solvers are just to stubborn to switch).

Erik uses AVG, Dan Cohen doesn't. Both have greatly improved the WR lately.

 

[Swoncen]

I didn't read the whole thread but is someone using a method where one complete edge is paired at a time? It's also 2 at a time, but for the same edge.. I do that but I just started to cube with bigcubes and I'm very slow.

 

[pjk]

I didn't read the whole thread but is someone using a method where one complete edge is paired at a time? It's also 2 at a time, but for the same edge.. I do that but I just started to cube with bigcubes and I'm very slow.

In that sense, that isn't really the AvG method, and it really makes no sense to do it that way. Why do it that way when you can pair 2 at a time just as easy? I'd suggest you go through and work through all of Arnaud's examples to get an idea of the method.

While we're on this note, I have tried the AvG method except doing 6 at a time. It works, but the look-ahead is quite bad. Since a big advantage to the AvG method is look-ahead, it isn't very logical to do it that way.

 

[AvGalen]

I didn't read the whole thread but is someone using a method where one complete edge is paired at a time? It's also 2 at a time, but for the same edge.. I do that but I just started to cube with bigcubes and I'm very slow.

In that sense, that isn't really the AvG method, and it really makes no sense to do it that way. Why do it that way when you can pair 2 at a time just as easy? I'd suggest you go through and work through all of Arnaud's examples to get an idea of the method.

While we're on this note, I have tried the AvG method except doing 6 at a time. It works, but the look-ahead is quite bad. Since a big advantage to the AvG method is look-ahead, it isn't very logical to do it that way.

Adding 2 "wings" to a "mid-edge" is usually referred to as the bigcubes.com method (find out why yourself). It requires slightly fewer moves, needs more algorithms and look-ahead isn't as good as my method. It depends on personal style and preference which method you like better. Sub 1:25 averages have been reached with both methods.

And doing 6 at a time works and can give very fast single times if you get nice cases and long cycles. But most of the time 2 at a time (with the semi-pair buffer) will be faster because of the better look-ahead and because there aren't as many bad cases.

 

[Zaxef]

Ok I think I understand what you mean by "2 at a time"..
As in .. pairing 2 tredge pieces at once right? A center-edge and one wing edge..
But what does doing 6 at a time mean?
Does this mean doing two whole wings at once, or 3 edges with a center-edge and wing piece?

And are there any written (or video) tutorials for this method?

Thanks

 

[blah]

Ok I think I understand what you mean by "2 at a time"..
As in .. pairing 2 tredge pieces at once right? A center-edge and one wing edge..
But what does doing 6 at a time mean?
Does this mean doing two whole wings at once, or 3 edges with a center-edge and wing piece?

And are there any written (or video) tutorials for this method?

Thanks

YouTube: frk17

 

[Zaxef]

Ok I think I understand what you mean by "2 at a time"..
As in .. pairing 2 tredge pieces at once right? A center-edge and one wing edge..
But what does doing 6 at a time mean?
Does this mean doing two whole wings at once, or 3 edges with a center-edge and wing piece?

And are there any written (or video) tutorials for this method?

Thanks

YouTube: frk17

Ok, his"5x5 edge pairing tutorial" explained 2 at a time pretty well, but not 6..

Also.. when you're doing 2 at a time - What do you do when the "second working wing" (The one that starts on the front right bottom - then you do the d move to match the first working wing with it's center - but then I can't put the correct center in Front-Right because it's the buffer center (on Front Left) in order to match the wing when I do d') is the same color as your Front Left buffer center and wing?

 

[AvGalen]

2 at a time on 5x5x5 is just an adaptation of 2 at a time on 4x4x4
6 at a time on 5x5x5 is just an adaptation of 6 at a time on 4x4x4. I recommend reading Chris tutorial

Zaxef: this topic includes that case in the example. Please read through the examples

And please find my videos on 5x5x5 on youtube.com/avgalen

 

[JLarsen]

thanks for this Arnaud. I didn't realize the only difference in your method (from beginner to advanced) is just the insertion moves. Now I just have to work on execution and practice these moves. Hopefully I can get it down to be able to sub-2, but with a 30+ second 3x3, it seems almost impossible.

This makes me chuckle. I just watched this guy get a 1:17 megaminx solve on my computer, then I see this.

 

[Mike Hughey]

thanks for this Arnaud. I didn't realize the only difference in your method (from beginner to advanced) is just the insertion moves. Now I just have to work on execution and practice these moves. Hopefully I can get it down to be able to sub-2, but with a 30+ second 3x3, it seems almost impossible.

This makes me chuckle. I just watched this guy get a 1:17 megaminx solve on my computer, then I see this.

Yeah, and Dan isn't even all that good at megaminx compared to 5x5x5.

I'd like to point out that I've improved on 5x5x5 at approximately the same rate as Dan since then. I'm still almost exactly half his speed.

 

[Mr Cubism]

"... so how do i go from beginner to intermediate?? without the "pre-setup" moves, i'm getting stuck and ending up doing the beginners method..."

After I get backup from US Open I will make a video tutorial. That will be online in about a month from now.

In the mean time, check out Eriks video tutorial on youtube and continue practising the examples here

Is there ANY (I can´t find any) nice "5x5x5 edge pairing AVG intermediate vid tutorial" on youtube? If not, please Arnoud, make one when you have time...please!


"A Arnoud vid says more than 1000 words"