Add methods in the WCA profiles

[FJT97]

Hi

I think it would be cool to see, which methods which people use. Then there could be a column next to the event in the wca database. and then you could sort the times by method. so you could easily see e.g. the fastest petrus solver out there, which would be kinda cool.
I think this could be easily implemented if you could choose the method in the procedure of registering for a competition.

The only problem might be that it is not always easy to distinguish between the methods (e.g. is 4lll LBL or cfop) But i think that if you just don't count the subsets it shouldn't be that big of a deal.

What do you think of it?

 

[AlphaSheep]

Would be cool, but I don't think it is practical. People change methods, even within the same comp, even within the same round. For example, I have heard of people trying Roux for two solves and then reverting to CFOP for the last 3 solves.

It would also rely heavily on all of the fastest people with each method adding it to the site, so it wouldn't be that reliable.

 

[Loiloiloi]

There is too many nuances and complications for this to be implemented correctly.

 

[Petro Leum]

I dont want my ZZ and Hyeon Kyo Kyoung's "ZZ" to be in the same category. So no, thank you very much.

 

[DGCubes]

Yeah, it really isn't possible, and it's the sort of thing that can change so often. It's not practical and people would probably just put joke answers.

 

[Matt11111]

Even if they had a list of methods people could choose from, what if you're like Tony Fisher and you created your own method with no knowledge of any others?

 

[Loiloiloi]

Even if they had a list of methods people could choose from, what if you're like Tony Fisher and you created your own method with no knowledge of any others?

They could never include every known method

 

[Lucas Garron]

This is not entirely unrealistic. We already allow uploading profile pictures, and the community would probably appreciate information like this (it would be cool to run statistics!)

I imagine we could have a list of known methods user, and users could select their base primary base method.

We could make it easy to request to add a new method to the list instead of choosing an existing one, but then someone trustworthy would need to make judgments about what counts as a distinct method and what descriptions to allow (e.g. does "CFOP with a little bit of VW" count as a separate method? What about "CFOP but I'm good at edge control and also know full ZBLL"?)

 

[OLLiver]

"CFOP but I'm good at edge control and also know full ZBLL"?)

Ahem ZB method.

I like this idea

 

[Lucas Garron]

Ahem ZB method.

Ah, but should edge control at the beginning of the solve count differently from edge control during F2L? ;-)

 

[tx789]

If might confuse non-cubers or newer cubers. If it were implemented. It could perhaps be view-able to people logged in. This idea has a lot of problems. Including how many people would actually use it.

 

[Loiloiloi]

Personally, if this is actually being considered, even if it could be added, I think it shouldn't.

WCA is already time consuming for everyone who works on it as it is entirely run by the support of the community and volunteers, and adding more stuff for the staff to handle isn't going to help that. I think it's not WCA's job to sort out who the fastest people are for each method, that could be conducted through other websites, a spreadsheet, or even a sophisticated forum thread perhaps. WCA is best (in my opinion) as a minimalist site which shows everyone's times and profiles.

 

[OLLiver]

Ah, but should edge control at the beginning of the solve count differently from edge control during F2L? ;-)

good point. where you do EO During the solve seems to determine the method. if its EOLS/ZBLS/ZBF2L +ZBLL I think its very clearly ZB method

 

[FJT97]

Would be cool, but I don't think it is practical. People change methods, even within the same comp, even within the same round. For example, I have heard of people trying Roux for two solves and then reverting to CFOP for the last 3 solves.

That wouldn't be that big of a deal. You just choose your main method then.

This is not entirely unrealistic. We already allow uploading profile pictures, and the community would probably appreciate information like this (it would be cool to run statistics!)

I imagine we could have a list of known methods user, and users could select their base primary base method.

We could make it easy to request to add a new method to the list instead of choosing an existing one, but then someone trustworthy would need to make judgments about what counts as a distinct method and what descriptions to allow (e.g. does "CFOP with a little bit of VW" count as a separate method? What about "CFOP but I'm good at edge control and also know full ZBLL"?)

Thats what i thought. I think we could just start with the well known methods. And if anybody says that he thinks that his variant of e.g. cfop deserves a special name, then we could discuss that and maybe add some substeps as new methods. I think we should not add too many. It wouldn't be nice to compare then and it would confuse the people like tx789 said. But if we don't have too many it could be really nice to see.

If might confuse non-cubers or newer cubers. If it were implemented. It could perhaps be view-able to people logged in. This idea has a lot of problems. Including how many people would actually use it.

I can't really imagine, why people wouldn't use it. Its just about the definition of the methods. but most peoples methods aren't that hard to define.

Personally, if this is actually being considered, even if it could be added, I think it shouldn't.

WCA is already time consuming for everyone who works on it as it is entirely run by the support of the community and volunteers, and adding more stuff for the staff to handle isn't going to help that. I think it's not WCA's job to sort out who the fastest people are for each method, that could be conducted through other websites, a spreadsheet, or even a sophisticated forum thread perhaps. WCA is best (in my opinion) as a minimalist site which shows everyone's times and profiles.

If it should be minimalistic, why are there profile pictures? Where does minimalism starts, where does it end?I think methods are just a really important part of cubing. Important enough to add it.

 

[Calode]

What if someone made a website just for this kind of stuff. Login with their wca profile, write up a "profile." Quick write up of the method they use, algsets, etc... specify which algs they use (possibly link to algdb.net), have a link to their wca results, possibly list their cubesolv.es if possible (maybe with some tweaks to the database and opening up a REST API), youtube channel, etc...

People can then go to that site and look up people by their name or wca id and read up on them.

 

[FJT97]

What if someone made a website just for this kind of stuff. Login with their wca profile, write up a "profile." Quick write up of the method they use, algsets, etc... specify which algs they use (possibly link to algdb.net), have a link to their wca results, possibly list their cubesolv.es if possible (maybe with some tweaks to the database and opening up a REST API), youtube channel, etc...

People can then go to that site and look up people by their name or wca id and read up on them.

i really like that idea. We need someone who wants to do this now.

 

[YTCuber]

Cool idea, I like it!
I think i am going to write a prototype.
My feature list would be:

• Login with WCA-ID + Password
• User can put in the data (partly for each event): method, main, backup main, stickers, algs, goals, profile picture
  
• Auto Import of WCA-Solves, cubesolv.es-solves

 

[Ollie]

It would make the WCA Export a lot more interesting

 

[Calode]

It would make the WCA Export a lot more interesting

I wouldn't use the WCA Export. It's all that exists now, but I would want to wait till WCA site has a REST api for results.

 

[pjk]

This is not entirely unrealistic. We already allow uploading profile pictures, and the community would probably appreciate information like this (it would be cool to run statistics!)

How does a user change their profile picture? How does a user update their method if they change?

Hi

I think it would be cool to see, which methods which people use. Then there could be a column next to the event in the wca database. and then you could sort the times by method. so you could easily see e.g. the fastest petrus solver out there, which would be kinda cool.
I think this could be easily implemented if you could choose the method in the procedure of registering for a competition.

The only problem might be that it is not always easy to distinguish between the methods (e.g. is 4lll LBL or cfop) But i think that if you just don't count the subsets it shouldn't be that big of a deal.

What do you think of it?

On this note, would it be useful to add a profile field here on the forums for people to add their method, which will be displayed in their profile? I assume you mean method for 3x3 since that is the one that varies most?