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Swoncen
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Stop such posts jcuber, please.
jcuber
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I was merely trying to point out the fact that veazer has absolutely no idea what he is talking about.
masterofthebass
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veazer, let me explain something to you, that you obviously can't get your tiny little head around. The whole phenomenon with v-cubes is that the mechanism Panagiotis Verdes came up with is applicable for cubes larger than 5x5. That is the SECRET to everything. Without his ingenious design, none of these cubes would be possible. If someone came out with a different design, such as other 5x5 designs that exist (Eastsheen, Rubiks) that would not be the problem at all. The problem comes when a company BLATANTLY copies the internal mechanism of someone else's and goes to sell it. That infringes on the rights of the original owner. Yes, because of horrible manufacturing process, the Chinese knockoffs aren't as of good quality as the well produced, well designed v-cubes, BUT the ****ing cubes are still the same thing. It's blatant theft, and if you think otherwise, you shouldn't bother commenting on the situation because you aren't capable of thought that kindergardeners can grasp:
"he stole something from me. That's not right"
"he stole something from me. That's not right"
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I wonder if Mr. Verdes knows about this yet. I think it's really wrong that they are copying the designs that v-cubes strived for. Besides, the knock-off may not even be as good quality as the v-cube.
TobiasDaneels
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Man chill,don't be so aggressive.
I think it should be you (as a moderator) to give an example on how to debate calmly and with respect for one and other.
On topic, I'm pleased to actually see a 9x9x9 cube, but I'm also a bit fed up with all those knock offs. I hope that Verdes will produce cubes like this in the future to, but I have a feeling it might take some months longer.
Ha well, we'll see, and for now be glad with what we have allreaddy.
I waited for 2 and a half years for the 6x6 and 7x7 to come out.
I can wait a little longer for the higher ranked ones.
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Okay, he doesn't know what he's talking about you are the perfect example of somebody who just posted a rude comment and had nothing helpful in the long run. So your post was just as stupid as his. Dan's was harsh, yeah but he at least got the point across
Zaxef
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Dan's comment was fine, it gave me a chuckle 
And he's right.. If you don't understand what this knock-off means, and WHY it's a knock-off.. just don't comment.
It's illegal to sell them outside of China, so I don't think any of us will be getting one any time soon, just wait until Verdes releases them, if he ever does..
And if he doesn't EVER plan to release them he should let the Chinese produce them for us (in exchange for a cut of their profits of course).
And he's right.. If you don't understand what this knock-off means, and WHY it's a knock-off.. just don't comment.
It's illegal to sell them outside of China, so I don't think any of us will be getting one any time soon, just wait until Verdes releases them, if he ever does..
And if he doesn't EVER plan to release them he should let the Chinese produce them for us (in exchange for a cut of their profits of course).
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No we need an aggressive moderator who is firm and will take action!
veazer
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sorry for starting the flame war, but I did not say that the design would be any different... THE WAY IT WORKS WILL BE THE SAME, but that verdes may, as some people pointed out, make the corner stalks thicker, since they look like they would break, use a different plastic type, put different stickers on it, or something of that sort to better the cube before its release. That's what I meant... and how many of you have read his patent? All it does is explains how the mechanism works, but it contains nothing about the exact thickness and plastic material he will use for each size cube, nor anything about stickers, lubrication, packaging...
And yes, to the flamers, I do know the chinese one violates the patent in every way imaginable, and does use the same mechanism. I even know how and why it works mathematically on a cortesian grid. I am not that stupid that I think the chinese cube is different, just that the one verdes makes will hopefully be of better quality. My question was meant to be read as, "what will he do to make it of a better quality than they will.
And yes, to the flamers, I do know the chinese one violates the patent in every way imaginable, and does use the same mechanism. I even know how and why it works mathematically on a cortesian grid. I am not that stupid that I think the chinese cube is different, just that the one verdes makes will hopefully be of better quality. My question was meant to be read as, "what will he do to make it of a better quality than they will.
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jcuber
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Those things are insignificant in patents, it is the mechanism that counts.
panyan
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good plan, i may do the same
Wow, you really tried hard to look knowledgeable there.
veazer
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Yes, but I wasn't even talking about the design, and we all know it violates the patent laws... we all know the design is going to be the exact same, but what I meant was how the exact specifics and other items that aren't in the patent will differ, like how thick various parts are, and the other stuff at the end of the last page.
veazer
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Do you understand it... without looking at verdes pictures or an actual v-cube?
If you do, then by all means, you sir, know more than I.
TobiasDaneels
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Well, I dissagree.
Normally a moderator 'moderates' a debate rather then participating it.
That aside, I don't mind him expressing his own thoughts and opinions but it's not whise to offend others in your position as moderator.
But understand me correctly, I appreciate what moderators like Dan are doing here, and I think, for what I know, he's a wonderfull guy and a passionate speedcuber.
I just thought that one post was a bit to harsh. You may agree or dissagree, that's up to you.
veazer
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Well I was the one he harshed out, but it was understandable based on my poorly worded question.
Calling someone an idiot may be a bit harsh, but really guys, chill out, its just the internet...
PatrickJameson
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What? Why? Moderators should be able to make people post better and more thoughtful posts. Not be all nice to everyone.
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This isn't JUST the internet. This is a community in which the internet just happens to be the medium in which we communicate. A lot of people here have seen people in this forum in real life and it should be the general mood of this forum that we are talking to each other in real life.
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TobiasDaneels
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Well, if the majoriy feels this way, I guess I might have it wrong.
But I still think it's wrong saying things like: your tiny little brain and such.
But please, let it be. I don't won't to argue about this, you have your opinion, I have mine. Let's stick to that, ok?
veazer
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You all take everything i say too far out of context... I meant that the insult was just made due to the seemingly anonymous nature of the internet, and that you shouldn't take insults on the internet as seriously as if he had said it to my face, which he probably wouldn't have done... he probably would've said "what?" or "what are you talking about" or "dude... they're the same thing," at which time i would've explained what i meant by the word "design".
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