brunson
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Because the 3x3 patent has expired, patents are supposed to expire to keep people innovating after a reasonable period of protection.
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fanwuq
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In another thread, I defended someone who bought both a V-cube 7 and a knockoff 7x7x7. Verdes did not lose anything there (at least not in the short run; new potential consumers might be influenced to buy the knockoff and not the V-cube.) However, it was still wrong because the patent is not expired like that of the Rubik's cube.
Here, this release of the 9x9x9 before the V-9 is really really bad for Verdes and it is too early to tell if this is bad for the consumer. On one hand, Verdes could see the competition and release the V-9 early and take action to close the illegal 9x9x9 production. And we can get the real V-9 sooner and possible cheaper. On the other hand, Verdes could just try to close down the production of the illegal 9x9x9 and give up producing new V-cubes.
It is normal to buy new products, but wrong to buy the illegal product.
Verdes did loose out. By buying the fake, the KO-maker received a signal people wanted their people and also the means to produce even more.
masterofthebass
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Personally, I don't doubt that these manufacturers are doing things legally within China. I'm pretty sure China allows knockoffs to be created/sold within the country. I think anyone going into the manufacturing business is aware of that. The problem arises when it is exported for sale in other countries. I think that actually is when the breech in copyright occurs. There's no doubt in my mind these will be sold in China along with the other fake cubes, but as long as we try to keep the international exportation down, that should presumably keep Verdes's loss down.
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China has been a member of WIPO (along with almost every country in the world), for quite some time. They should legally be guaranteeing that violations of international patents aren't proliferated abroad or domestically. This, of course, is not a reality. But they are certainly at fault for domestic sales as well.
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Almost true, you can use the mechanism, the 3x3 still protected by copyright. So you are free to use the mechanism to make anything but a 3x3 cube with 6 colors. Copyrights was discussed here many times, in any country that has a distributor, the license holder successfully defend the intellectual property of Mr Rubik, the cube is protected by copyright, not the patent.....
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Although all those who are trying to defend Verdes make valid, strong points, I
see it this way:
Ever since I found the V-cube website, many months ago, it claims that the V-cube 9 will be available in "the near future". This was not true.
Multi-layered cubes are not an original invention, so why should Verdes have the right to monopolize the entire market for them, especially if he is not releasing his product? The Chinese company is not really stealing his product, they are just providing competition. It seems to me that the Chinese company producing this fake 9x9 is showing much more ingenuity and marketing sense that Verdes is by releasing a product that people want now. Despite this, when an official V-cube 9 is released, I will most definitely purchase it, regardless of how cheap or how many other 9x9's I may own.
see it this way:
Ever since I found the V-cube website, many months ago, it claims that the V-cube 9 will be available in "the near future". This was not true.
Multi-layered cubes are not an original invention, so why should Verdes have the right to monopolize the entire market for them, especially if he is not releasing his product? The Chinese company is not really stealing his product, they are just providing competition. It seems to me that the Chinese company producing this fake 9x9 is showing much more ingenuity and marketing sense that Verdes is by releasing a product that people want now. Despite this, when an official V-cube 9 is released, I will most definitely purchase it, regardless of how cheap or how many other 9x9's I may own.
fanwuq
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No. His design is unique and original. Proposing a problem is different from solving it. I can propose, "Let's make a 5D truncated fused simese gigaminx!" But that does not mean I invented it. They are stealing because there is a patent that is not expired.
That's why I said "short run"... Read the whole post. The act itself of buying both does not hurt Verdes, but it sends a bad message and also helps the knockoff seller.
"Multi-layered cubes are not an original invention, so why should Verdes have the right to monopolize the entire market for them, especially if he is not releasing his product?"
He patented the method, not the concept. Anyone can make a 9x9x9 provided they don't use his mechanism. There's also this thing called licensing: Anyone can make a 9x9x9 with his mechanism provided they work out a deal with him. I doubt the KO people even considered this.
"That's why I said "short run"... Read the whole post. The act itself of buying both does not hurt Verdes, but it sends a bad message and also helps the knockoff seller."
Read the whole post: I did notice the short run thing, but to me it looked like you connected short run to the reasoning behind the semicolon.
How does the act of buying not hurt Verdes? You help keep his enemies in business, so that hurts Verdes, right?
He patented the method, not the concept. Anyone can make a 9x9x9 provided they don't use his mechanism. There's also this thing called licensing: Anyone can make a 9x9x9 with his mechanism provided they work out a deal with him. I doubt the KO people even considered this.
"That's why I said "short run"... Read the whole post. The act itself of buying both does not hurt Verdes, but it sends a bad message and also helps the knockoff seller."
Read the whole post: I did notice the short run thing, but to me it looked like you connected short run to the reasoning behind the semicolon.
How does the act of buying not hurt Verdes? You help keep his enemies in business, so that hurts Verdes, right?
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Cool 
I wonder who will be the first speedcuber to have one.
I wonder who will be the first speedcuber to have one.veazer
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I just want to see how much and in what ways verdes design will differ from that one.
EDIT: by design i simply mean what will differ between them to make one of a better quality than the other.
EDIT: by design i simply mean what will differ between them to make one of a better quality than the other.
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masterofthebass
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THEY COPIED THE VERDES DESIGN YOU IDIOT. it won't differ at all.
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Lol, he got owned. And btw, I like your picture.
On topic: Did you see the guys video's
the design IS the same thing. But you would
have to say the same for mefferts 4x4's, wouldn't you.
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masterofthebass
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All the "new" 4x4s are all probably made in the same factory. DX/Mefferts/C4Y are all the same thing. Meffert's just selling them as his own, even though they aren't really.
veazer
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Ask yourself this... How is the original 3x3 different from the others?
How is a dx/mefferts/c4y 4x4 different from a rubiks 4x4?
How is the v5/6/7 different frem the chinese knockoffs? If they're the same then why do the chinese v5 clones suck compared to the real one?
There will be some differences...MINOR DIFFERENCES, but still some diffrences
How is a dx/mefferts/c4y 4x4 different from a rubiks 4x4?
How is the v5/6/7 different frem the chinese knockoffs? If they're the same then why do the chinese v5 clones suck compared to the real one?
There will be some differences...MINOR DIFFERENCES, but still some diffrences
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Aren't they knocking off of the Rubik's though?
And also I wouldn't doubt they are made in the same factory.
And I wouldn't be surprised if "fake" nike's
are made in the same factory as "real" nike's.
Lastly, I've seen like 3 videos with people having the
fake 7x7 and they all have the real one's!
Don't forget in Izovire's video he shows the HK now store,
and they had REAL V-cubes in there then. If the fake 9x9
comes out I bet the only people who would buy it are people
who can buy it at a store,
I doubt that many people know how to use the HK now store,
I haven't seen one video of somebody Internationally
(of Hong Kong and China) using a fake V-cube 7, link me if I'm wrong.
And I bet people who would buy the fake 9x9 in
Hong Kong or China, can also buy the V-cube 9.
V-cubes aren't losing and China isn't winning they both make money but that isn't the point what China is doing is wrong, we can't do anything to stop it and the only people losing are us for wasting our time putting serious thought into it. You cant force things to happen a certain way they'll happen that way no matter what you did.
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veazer
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meant to say v5 clones.
darkzelkova
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So, these aren't even for sale?
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