4x4x4 reduction + cross idea

[PatrickJameson]

I came up with this http://www.speedsolving.com/forum/showthread.php?t=4443 a while ago. At that time(and still now :/) I figured solving the cross pieces would be a waste of time.

I'm just sticking with normal reduction for 4x4.

 

[blah]

I had a similar idea more than a year ago: http://www.speedsolving.com/forum/showthread.php?t=6855

Scroll down to post #17.

 

[rachmaninovian]

I guess the only part that is unique to Yau is...the 3-2-2-2 part? no one has exploited the 3 pairing part yet =p

 

[mazei]

You sure? I remember one Chinese guy who held the WR did 3-2-2-2-3. I use it now.

 

[DavidWoner]

You sure? I remember one Chinese guy who held the WR did 3-2-2-2-3. I use it now.

He means Yau is the only k4-redux hybrid to use 3-2-2.

Some thoughts:
I am terrible at the first 3 cross edges
restricted centers can get annoying
3-2-2 is incredibly fast when you can ignore the entire left (or bottom) side of the cube.
I've taken to doing 2-4-3 for the last 9 edges. I 2-pair the final cross edge and place it, set up and make one pair with r/r' (often this does not even require setup, you just have to make sure your initial slice is in the right direction), set up 3 pairs and slice back, then do the remaining 2 or 3 edges in one comm.

Not having to make the cross after edges pwns.
Forcing x-crosses pwns even more.

 

[Robert-Y]

What move counts are you (to everyone) getting for reduction + cross after finishing the first two centres?

For normal reduction + normal cross, I'm getting about 55-60, and with my method, I'm getting around 65-70.

I'm going to try Yau-C now...

 

[mazei]

I doubt I'll be doing this method as the restriction on centers a real turn off point for me. I can't stand not being able to do centers freely.

As for the 1st 3 cross pieces, I kind of fail to see how it is significantly better than just doing redux then cross(yes I know that you finish the whole cross during pairing). I kind of have a problem with 3-2-2-2-3 now due to the time I take to form the first 3.

Don't get me wrong, I'm sure this method is a beast in the right hands(Dan) but I think its not for me.

 

[Robert-Y]

I've finished creating a video tutorial, you can just go to my first post of this thread to watch it.

However I haven't covered any issues in the video...

 

[Jake Gouldon]

You destroyed an already paired yellow-green edge in the video, I would have preserved it.

I find that doing 2 pairing is better, at least for me. What I do is do the first 4 (including the final cross edge), and place the cross edge. Then I place 2 other solved pairs in the back right and back left slots. Then the rest of the edge pairing is easier since I don't have to do any cube rotations.

 

[amostay2004]

Thanks for the tutorial! It made me understand this method better and I'm definitely gonna practise this cos normal reduction is just so boring

Looking forward to the next video!

 

[DavidWoner]

67, 71, 68, 68, 60 -> 68 for yau

73, 71, 67, 70, 68 -> 70 for redux

uh... wut?

 

[miniGOINGS]

Did you know that Richard Meyer has been using a method very similar to this for over a year? The only difference is that he solves all the remaining edges after centers using 2-at-a time, and instead of solving the last "cross" edge and placing it, he places the 2 corners to complete a 1x3x4, (since he solves Roux, he already has the first block built). It is essentially the same method, only sets up for Roux style instead of Fridrich.

Explain please !!

 

[mazei]

Did you know that Richard Meyer has been using a method very similar to this for over a year? The only difference is that he solves all the remaining edges after centers using 2-at-a time, and instead of solving the last "cross" edge and placing it, he places the 2 corners to complete a 1x3x4, (since he solves Roux, he already has the first block built). It is essentially the same method, only sets up for Roux style instead of Fridrich.

Explain please !!

Stadler method, look it up.

 

[rachmaninovian]

Did you know that Richard Meyer has been using a method very similar to this for over a year? The only difference is that he solves all the remaining edges after centers using 2-at-a time, and instead of solving the last "cross" edge and placing it, he places the 2 corners to complete a 1x3x4, (since he solves Roux, he already has the first block built). It is essentially the same method, only sets up for Roux style instead of Fridrich.

Explain please !!

Stadler method, look it up.

false. Meyer's RouxRedux is nothing like stadler method. as explained by Patrick, it is basically solving a 1x3x4 block on the left after the first 2 centres, finish the rest of the centres, followed by avg pairing to reduce the cube into a 3x3. from here, solve roux style, and this method method provides an advantage for roux because there is a free 1x3x4 block after the reduction.
Stadler method is basically 1x3x4 block on L, 1x3x4 block on R, CMLL, centres, pair up edges with *comms* then roux finish. different methods.

 

[mazei]

Did you know that Richard Meyer has been using a method very similar to this for over a year? The only difference is that he solves all the remaining edges after centers using 2-at-a time, and instead of solving the last "cross" edge and placing it, he places the 2 corners to complete a 1x3x4, (since he solves Roux, he already has the first block built). It is essentially the same method, only sets up for Roux style instead of Fridrich.

Explain please !!

Stadler method, look it up.

false. Meyer's RouxRedux is nothing like stadler method. as explained by Patrick, it is basically solving a 1x3x4 block on the left after the first 2 centres, finish the rest of the centres, followed by avg pairing to reduce the cube into a 3x3. from here, solve roux style, and this method method provides an advantage for roux because there is a free 1x3x4 block after the reduction.
Stadler method is basically 1x3x4 block on L, 1x3x4 block on R, CMLL, centres, pair up edges with *comms* then roux finish. different methods.

Woops. Well in my head it went like this - Richard Meyer = Roux = Roux on big cubes = Stadler method. Didn't read the whole post and this kinda shows how much I don't know.

 

[Robert-Y]

I have an idea of how to get faster on the last 4 centres:

Solve the left half of 3 centres, now do an L move so that each cross piece is next to a half centre. Now you can solve the rest of what's left of the centres using r and U moves!

(I had this idea whilst chatting to Ibrahim on facebook )

 

[mazei]

That's really neat.

 

[miniGOINGS]

false. Meyer's RouxRedux is nothing like stadler method. as explained by Patrick, it is basically solving a 1x3x4 block on the left after the first 2 centres, finish the rest of the centres, followed by avg pairing to reduce the cube into a 3x3. from here, solve roux style, and this method method provides an advantage for roux because there is a free 1x3x4 block after the reduction.
Stadler method is basically 1x3x4 block on L, 1x3x4 block on R, CMLL, centres, pair up edges with *comms* then roux finish. different methods.

So it's

1: L&R centers
2: Left 1x3x4 block
3: M-slice centers
4: Edge pairing
5: Right 1x3x4 block
6: Corners of the last layer
7: Last six dedges

are there any tutorials or advanced tips that you know of?

 

[Lofty]

I finally got my hands on a 4x4 today! I must say that I really like this method! I'm no good with it, about 2:30, but I've only done 3 or 4 solves and was only at about 1:30 with regular 2 at a time redux.

 

[esquimalt1]

I have an idea of how to get faster on the last 4 centres:

Solve the left half of 3 centres, now do an L move so that each cross piece is next to a half centre. Now you can solve the rest of what's left of the centres using r and U moves!

(I had this idea whilst chatting to Ibrahim on facebook )

Haha, yes!