3x3x3 V-Cube!

I don't think that V-Cubes made the smartest choice in terms of appealing to speed cubers, but I do think they made a very smart decision in terms of non-speedcubers. Their decision to appeal to a larger, less-dedicated group of people in my opinion, is a very smart one. 3x3 will always be the best selling cube (in my opinion) and for v-cube to have their foot in on that market with their own 3x3 design will mean that people who only want that cube, or people who want both a 3x3 and a set of larger cubes can only go to one store to get it. If they make a lot of money off of selling the v-cube 3x3, or enough to fund larger ventures in the future, I see no reason why this is bad for anyone. If you're impatient enough that you can't wait a year for a certain type of cube, I think you have no one to blame but yourself.

If you're in this thread arguing that they didn't make the smartest decision, I totally understand, and I partly agree. But if you're here complaining about it not being cubic or it not being the cube you want, I think you have as much ground to stand on as anyone else who complains.

As for all the hate flying around here because one person claimed to be stating facts and then doesn't see why everyone is upset about it is just the reason that we, as a community, are pushing new cubers away. New cubers/new members may not know their way around yet, but bashing it in to someones head that they are a stupid f--kface with no intelligence isn't the way (in my opinion) to go about making people want to be a better member.

I could go on forever about why I believe this to be true, but this isn't the thread for it.

Coldplay: Arguing your point won't get you anywhere, and letting yourself be consumed by a forum war (whether it be for good reason or not) won't make anyone happy. I'd say let it go, don't try to defend yourself, and don't let yourself be attacked by members in an argument which you didn't seem to want to start. Just my thoughts.

P.S. I put in "in my opinion" all over this post so people know that this is my opinion, and not fact or made up fact.
 
I've seen v-cubes in at least 5 stores in my area. Like Chris said, 3x3s (and 2x2s) sell better, especially to non-cubes. They are good at getting non-cubers to buy their cubes, which is why they sell their cubes in board game and game shops at malls, instead of just selling them online.

I think the reason it's pillowed is because the v-cubes are right next to the Rubik's products (and sometimes mefferts products) in stores, so if there was a non-pillowed v-cube 3 right next to a Rubik's 3x3, people will think "Oh wow, someone made a knock off of a Rubik's Cube", because all they'll see is a white Rubik's cube with a V on it.
 
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ChrisBird said:
I don't think that V-Cubes made the smartest choice in terms of appealing to speed cubers, but I do think they made a very smart decision in terms of non-speedcubers. Their decision to appeal to a larger, less-dedicated group of people in my opinion, is a very smart one. 3x3 will always be the best selling cube (in my opinion) and for v-cube to have their foot in on that market with their own 3x3 design will mean that people who only want that cube, or people who want both a 3x3 and a set of larger cubes can only go to one store to get it. If they make a lot of money off of selling the v-cube 3x3, or enough to fund larger ventures in the future, I see no reason why this is bad for anyone. If you're impatient enough that you can't wait a year for a certain type of cube, I think you have no one to blame but yourself.

If you're in this thread arguing that they didn't make the smartest decision, I totally understand, and I partly agree. But if you're here complaining about it not being cubic or it not being the cube you want, I think you have as much ground to stand on as anyone else who complains.

As for all the hate flying around here because one person claimed to be stating facts and then doesn't see why everyone is upset about it is just the reason that we, as a community, are pushing new cubers away. New cubers/new members may not know their way around yet, but bashing it in to someones head that they are a stupid f--kface with no intelligence isn't the way (in my opinion) to go about making people want to be a better member.

I could go on forever about why I believe this to be true, but this isn't the thread for it.

Coldplay: Arguing your point won't get you anywhere, and letting yourself be consumed by a forum war (whether it be for good reason or not) won't make anyone happy. I'd say let it go, don't try to defend yourself, and don't let yourself be attacked by members in an argument which you didn't seem to want to start. Just my thoughts.

P.S. I put in "in my opinion" all over this post so people know that this is my opinion, and not fact or made up fact.
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I am really grateful that you are here. I will keep that in mind; I'm really sorry for all of this. I just was trying to state something, and I realize I may have been wrong about it. So be it; hope I can start fresh and not leave a bad impression on the rest of the forum. Thanks for the advice.
 
coldplay said:
I think that the V-Cube 3, following the patent lawsuit with DaYan, is the second true indication of V-Cube being a weak company that simply enjoys monopolizing the 5^5+ market and milking money from their mediocre puzzles.
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As said before, Verdes designs made possible a whole new plethora of puzzles only dreamed of before. Mefferts actually gives designers a cut and asks permission before mass producing a puzzle and sends units to the designers. As much as I love Dayan and other 'ko" brands, they don't do this with the puzzles that they "borrowed" the designs for.

Some people support these companies for ethical reasons.
 
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UnAbusador said:
As said before, Verdes designs made possible a whole new plethora of puzzles only dreamed of before. Mefferts actually gives designers a cut and asks permission before mass producing a puzzle and sends units to the designers. As much as I love Dayan and other 'ko" brands, they don't do this with the puzzles that they "borrowed" the designs for.
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How do you know that V-cube didn't "borrow" there design from someone? When I use to go to twistypuzzles.com I found this thread about a 6x6 made out of an eastsheen 5x5. A lot of the things were like what V-cube is just more blocky because it's eastsheen. Maybe Verdes saw the design and altered it slightly to make it better.

If you think that possibility creates a new puzzle then Shenshou did the same thing.
 
People here, and on Twistypuzzles keep saying over and over again, "we're not the target consumer!".

Why is everyone so sure? Does V-cube have official sales demographics? I've never seen any sales figures at all.
 
You all have to remember that the V-Cubes were for most of us, our mains, before cubes like the Shenshou 5x5 and 6x6 and the WitTwo came out. Some of us still stuck with the LanLan 2x2 after the V-2 Came, but those people in total are probably 500. So quit your whining about the V-3 going to suck, but I do think they should make it cubic, just to make a different point. I think the cube is going to be pretty good, but I don't think it would be anyones main.
 
emolover said:
How do you know that V-cube didn't "borrow" there design from someone? When I use to go to twistypuzzles.com I found this thread about a 6x6 made out of an eastsheen 5x5. A lot of the things were like what V-cube is just more blocky because it's eastsheen. Maybe Verdes saw the design and altered it slightly to make it better.

If you think that possibility creates a new puzzle then Shenshou did the same thing.
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This entire post is full of ****. There is a reason why there wasn't a useable 6x6+ produced before v-cubes came along. Panagiotis said he came up with the design in the 80s, but he thought the design was so simple that someone must've already have thought of it, but by 2003, no one had. That is why they were able to patent the design and start making the first real 6x6 and 7x7.
 
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masterofthebass said:
This entire post is full of ****. There is a reason why there wasn't a useable 6x6+ produced before v-cubes came along. Panagiotis said he came up with the design in the 80s, but he thought the design was so simple that someone must've already have thought of it, but by 2003, no one had. That is why they were able to patent the design and start making the first real 6x6 and 7x7.
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There is absolutely no need for you to be as hostile as you are being towards other members. Please stop. We don't come to the forum to be critiqued on how factually sound our arguments are.
 
coldplay said:
There is absolutely no need for you to be as hostile as you are being towards other members. Please stop. We don't come to the forum to be critiqued on how factually sound our arguments are.
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He's not being hostile. He's also an administrator on this forum, in case you didn't notice.

If you're posting something that is factually wrong, then yes, people have every right to critique what you said. That's how arguments work. That is how the Internet works. Don't complain that the forum isn't a perfect playground covered in rainbows soft clouds and sparkly unicorns.
 
coldplay said:
There is absolutely no need for you to be as hostile as you are being towards other members. Please stop. We don't come to the forum to be critiqued on how factually sound our arguments are.
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I am trying to make it so someone reading this thread isn't bombarded with incorrect information. When people go around spouting what are basically lies, someone needs to step and and correct those statements. I haven't even offered my opinion in any one of my fact-correcting posts iirc.
 
Apparently I'm being a nuisance to everybody, even though I'm trying very hard not to be. I thought I had posted up a reply similar to this one, but it might have gotten deleted or there may have been an error in posting.

Anyway, if everybody wants to make new users to the forum feel like outcast whack-jobs who have no right to even speak, be my guest. You're only pushing away valuable assets to the community.
 
emolover said:
How do you know that V-cube didn't "borrow" there design from someone? When I use to go to twistypuzzles.com I found this thread about a 6x6 made out of an eastsheen 5x5. A lot of the things were like what V-cube is just more blocky because it's eastsheen. Maybe Verdes saw the design and altered it slightly to make it better.

If you think that possibility creates a new puzzle then Shenshou did the same thing.
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Uh... I didn't collect puzzles at the time the vents took place, but I'm not ignorant on the history in general of twisty puzzles and I can confidently say that there is a clear before-and-after Verdes released his patent. Attempts to produce 6x6+ cubes where clumsy at best and the whole conical structure thing revolutionized the way that future, complex puzzles designs where going to be approached (even speed cubes as the Dayans benefited)
 
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coldplay said:
Anyway, if everybody wants to make new users to the forum feel like outcast whack-jobs who have no right to even speak, be my guest. You're only pushing away valuable assets to the community.
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We're not. Stop being so sensitive. We are simply saying that people shouldn't make **** up.
 
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