1 syllable letter pair words

[Mike Hughey]

Chris, what are you doing for the letter pairs which start with some of the more uncommon starting letters like i, k, q, v, etc. (I assume you're not using y or z as starters)?

You should look at this:
http://www.speedcubing.com/chris/memorizing.html
He gives his whole list here. I'm not sure if it's up to date (I don't know if they're the same words he currently uses), but it's certainly a list that works.

 

[dbeyer]

Malcom, I looked into that system, where you use a 2-cycle system of algs, it's very interesting but it doesn't quite work out that well. Besides, the STM of Commutators blow 2-cycles out of the water! Even with an optimized subset of algs, and target spots.

 

[watermelon]

Chris, what are you doing for the letter pairs which start with some of the more uncommon starting letters like i, k, q, v, etc. (I assume you're not using y or z as starters)?

You should look at this:
http://www.speedcubing.com/chris/memorizing.html
He gives his whole list here. I'm not sure if it's up to date (I don't know if they're the same words he currently uses), but it's certainly a list that works.

That is indeed his current list (as far as I know), but not all of those words have one syllable.

 

[pjk]

Chris,
Excellent idea. Should be interesting to see how far you can go with this... good luck.

 

[Mike Hughey]

Chris, what are you doing for the letter pairs which start with some of the more uncommon starting letters like i, k, q, v, etc. (I assume you're not using y or z as starters)?

You should look at this:
http://www.speedcubing.com/chris/memorizing.html
He gives his whole list here. I'm not sure if it's up to date (I don't know if they're the same words he currently uses), but it's certainly a list that works.

That is indeed his current list (as far as I know), but not all of those words have one syllable.

Oh, whoops - I forgot we were talking about one syllable words. Sorry. Chris, I guess I'm curious too.

 

[cmhardw]

I'll post my full lists on my site when I am done, right now I'm at about 50%-55% completed with all the letter pairs.

Here are my I's and K's. I'm not to the Q's or V's yet. Some letter pairs I don't have because they are letters either on the same corner, or on my buffer corner, so I don't need them and don't care to come up with letter pair words for right now ;-)

IB bib
IC ick
IE ice
IG gig
IH "ih" the short I vowel sound
IJ "idge" "fridge" without the "fr-"
IK ink
IL Lil
IN NIN (nine inch nails)
IO "yo" say it, it sounds like "ee-oo"
IP pip (from backgammon)
IR sir
IS is
IT it
IU "yuh" say it, it sounds like "ee-uh"
IV I've
IW yow "ee-owww"
IX yaks say it and it sounds like "ee-ax"

I thought about just saying "ix" for IX but if I have IC (ick) followed by a word starting with S, then I may confuse that to be IX

KB Krebb (Krebb cycle)
KC kase short way to say the nickname KC
KD kid
KE key
KF Kraft
KG Kong
KI kite
KJ krage ("crazy" + "rage" makes a crazy rage or a KRAGE) stupid I know, but it's funny/memorable to me which is what counts
KL kill
KN knight
KO Klo (german for toilet, or "can" I guess since it's sort of slang)
KP keep
KR crypt
KS kiss
KT Kate
KU koosh
KV klave (the end sound of autoclave and enclave)
KW klaw (Dr. Klaw from inspector gadget)

I'll post the q's and v's when I get there if you want, but again my whole list is going up on my site when I'm done.

Chris

 

[philkt731]

I can't wait, cause right now I have to use the sound "ch for C and "th" for H, because of C and K's similarity and H having not much sound for the end of a syllable. Also, right now, my "words" are more like weird sounds that aren't easily remembered. but once you get the list up, i'll have a definite sound for each combination that i can get used to rather than having to make one up (which hurts for recall)

 

[CraigBouchard]

Chris Hardwick,

I am posting on here because I know you will look at this thread. I have been trying to get in contact with you for a long time now, and if you could jump online sometime, or send me an e-mail or something it would be greatly appreciated.

Thanks,

I owe you a lot, and you are never here,

Craig

 

[Dene]

Oooh I do like this idea. I don't blindfold cube yet, but I have thought a bit about it, and definitely do not like the idea of a journey or using rooms for memorization. I wondered if using a word for each piece would work, and this saves me having to figure it out for myself! I will definitely look into this more when I get started on blindfold cubing! Keep it up!

 

[malcolm]

I've been messing around with this, but not with prepared images, i think it works better this way, as sometimes i can get as much as 4-5 letters in one word - e.g. ramps was one i had, thats 4. I have a consonant for each edge and insert vowels.

 

[cmhardw]

I just wanted to post an update on my progress. I'm not allowing myself to solve any cube blindfolded until I finish my entire 1 syllable word list, for extra motivation to finish. I have words prepared for about 80% of all the letter pairs, and just a shade over 70% fully committed to memory with several quizes for myself each day to make sure I can recall them quickly.

I'll try to post again when I'm done, hopefully it won't take long because I'm itching to give this method a try ;-) I'm already really excited based on Kai's times using this method, I can't wait until I can use it as well.

Chris

 

[cmhardw]

Ok I finally have words prepared for all letter pairs I need for solving corners blindfolded! I have 90% of them fully committed to memory, and I'm hoping to know the remaining 10% well enough to at least attempt a couple solves tonight before I go to bed.

I'm so happy to finally be done with this! I started trying to come up with this 1 syllable word list and trying to learn them on November 28th, so it took me nearly a full month to finish, but I'm glad I'm finally done!

I'll try to post on my progress once I start attempting solves. Next steps are to solidy my recall of these words in both directions word/sound -> letter pair and letter pair -> word/sound. After that I will expand this method to include the additional letter pair words I would in order to memorize 3x3 edges this way too. I have no plans at all to use this method for wings of big cubes, only the inner most 3x3 pieces.

As promised here is my V word list. Again I have only generated the letter pairs that I need, based on my letter scheme. Some pairs are unnecessary for me and I have no plans to come up with words for them, unless they are needed for my extension of this method to edges.

VB vibe
VC vac (first part of vaccuum, my VC letter pair image)
VD vid (internet speak for video)
VE vend
VF wirf (singular imperative form of the german verb werfen: "to throw")
VG Vogue (the magazine)
VH vah (simply the sound "va")
VI vice
VJ verge
VK Vick (short form of the name Vicki, one of my cousins, or Michael Vick for sports fans)
VN van
VO (the sound "vo")
VR veer
VS vase
VT vault
VU Vu (last name of a person I used to go to high school with)
VW vow
VX vex

Again I will post my entire list on my website within the next couple days, but I want to try some solves on the 3x3 first.

Chris

 

[cmhardw]

Individual Times:
1) 100.62 U' L2 U2 B D2 B' U' B' L2 U' L' B2 D B R2 B' R D B2 L2 D B' D2 L' D

This was a successful 3x3x3 BLD solve with 39 seconds of memorization, which is I believe my new record for memorization given a successful solve, or at least very close to my personal best if not. A very good memo time for me is usually 45 seconds, so sub-40 for me is absolutely incredible. I am using images for edges and 1 syllable word sounds for corners. I am about 55% done with my "edges extensions" or my single syllable words/sounds that I see on edges but not on corners because of my lettering scheme.

One thing I like about the word/sounds is that it is very easy to forgot the words from the previous solves. I literally speak the words outloud to myself quietly and let them ring in my ears as I solve so to speak. After the solve I have pretty much already forgotten what the sounds/words were and I can do another solve pretty much right after it.

I don't know if it will be 15 seconds memorization fast, but even this half image half sounds hybrid method is already faster than any other method I've ever used. I can't wait until I know letter pairs for corners and edges! Almost done!

I'm hoping to convince others to give this method a try, as I think it has enormous potential, but I know I will probably have to prove it's effectiveness in competition first before people will consider it. I definitely plan to use this approach for my 3x3x3 BLD solves in my next competition to see what happens, I hope it works under pressure too.

Chris

 

[Mike Hughey]

Chris, I think I'm going to give it a real try. I've decided that, while I can probably get down to about 2 minutes with my current method, that's probably the limit, so I'm going to have to make some radical change to get as fast as everyone else is. I'll probably just practice something like this for a few months, and still use Macky's method for competition solves (including the online ones), but hopefully if I ever start to get comfortable with it, I'll try using it in an online competition or two. It's going to be a radical change for me requiring quite a bit of time, I'm sure, since currently I'm still doing orientation and permutation separately on most of my normal solves, so it will probably take me a while to get any good with it.

My best time with what is essentially your method is about 5 minutes now, but I'm constructing the one-syllable words on the fly, which is obviously counterproductive to trying to be fast with a method like this, and I'm still not that good with the corner commutators on the 3x3x3.

 

[joey]

Chris, are you going to post these to your site at some point? I am temtped to look into it. The only thing is, its quite hard to give this method ago, without learn all 440 words, but I can try!

 

[Mike Hughey]

Chris already said he would post the list to his site in a couple of days:

Again I will post my entire list on my website within the next couple days, but I want to try some solves on the 3x3 first.

Chris

I would think it would be reasonable to give this a try without being quite as hardcore about it as Chris. My idea (and the first thing I will probably try) would be to read through Chris's list a few times, trying to quickly memorize the whole thing. Of course you'd fail, but you'd probably get over half of them imprinted right away. Then try listing out a complete set to see how you did. Do this a few days in a row, and I'm betting you'd be getting close to 90% of the list. Once you get to 90%, you can really go ahead and use it, and just make up the other 10% on the fly as you go. It probably wouldn't take more than a month more to get where you pretty much had the entire list down, and all you invested was a few days to get most of it going.

I think the bigger deal for me will be the fact that Chris has some of the letter pairs missing, and I don't think I'm likely to be missing the same ones. So I may have to come up with a few more for those. So I'll probably have to make my own list anyway.

For big cubes BLD, I'm up to about 50% of my letter pair list memorized, and the rest I construct on the fly. But at my slow times, that's plenty good enough. For this, though, you'd really need to be more like 90% to be ready to go.

 

[joey]

I'll have to see if I really am a verbal person! If you could get it really good, i think potentially remembering 6-8 syllables for edges would be good. And I'm sure that could be done in 5s or so
So I am looking forward to seeing the list! Meanwhile, I'll be sub30 with visual

 

[Dene]

On a similar idea, have people tried a similar method using numbers? I think words are a good idea, but for myself (and probably a lot of people here), taking on a cube mathematically would probably be easier...

 

[joey]

I dont understand what you mean? Just saying the numbers out loud? I don't think it would work aswell at all.

 

[Dene]

I'm not sure lol . I don't really know how to BLD, although I will start learning soonish. I guess maybe a number for each piece, and then some kind of formula for place and orientation. Like, let's make the white/red/green colour number 1. Say, the position to the left is number 2, and that is where it is. Also, it needs to be rotated around twice. So you could allocate it the number "1.2.2." or something. I'm not sure, just an idea...