Obama-Biden or McCain-Palin(Speedsolving Votes)

WHo will you vote for in 2008?

  • Obama Biden

    Votes: 120 76.9%

  • McCain Palin

    Votes: 36 23.1%
  • Total voters
    156
Dene said:
What would it matter anyway? Do we not think $120,000 is enough of an income in the first place? I mean, they don't really need to be getting that little bit more in tax cuts, really...

I sure hope American's do what's best for them and don't take into account the colour of anyones skin.

EDIT: Mr. Hughey, well done on the queue entertainment :D
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Who's to say that $120,000 is enough?

If I worked hard enough to make that much, I sure wouldn't want someone to come and take it.
 
Kurzeja said:
Dene said:
What would it matter anyway? Do we not think $120,000 is enough of an income in the first place? I mean, they don't really need to be getting that little bit more in tax cuts, really...

I sure hope American's do what's best for them and don't take into account the colour of anyones skin.

EDIT: Mr. Hughey, well done on the queue entertainment :D
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Who's to say that $120,000 is enough?

If I worked hard enough to make that much, I sure wouldn't want someone to come and take it.
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The idea being that the taxes aren't going up, they are going down. So people earning over that amount won't be losing more money.
 
I hope our country can redeem itself in the future and polish the tarnished face as we are a bit of a disappointing super power.
 
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Kian said:
no, the electoral college isn't stupid. it's constitutionally obligated because it makes sense for our republic. We are not a democracy. I repeat: WE ARE NOT A DEMOCRACY. i don't know how clear i have to be. our constitution was founded as a confederation of states, in which each state has a stake in the presidency. by suggesting we have a directly democratic election, you are asking for the ultimate destruction of federalism.

a tyranny of the majority is no better than a tyranny of one man. 51% of people, or even 70% of people, or 90%, shouldn't be ruling unchecked over everyone else. This is why we have individual rights and state's rights.
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We're definitely not a democracy in the sense that laws and national decisions are decided by popular vote, but we're not talking about that anyway and nobody here has urged that we do that (also, don't say things in capitals or double-post, it's rude and it feels like you're yelling at us). What we're talking about right now is voting in elected officials by popular vote. That change really would not make a very big difference, especially since (as we've noted) electoral vote and popular vote reach the same decision over 90% of the time.

I don't think you are thinking realistically when you talk about a "tyranny of the majority". Attitudes change. Tyranny would be if a government chose a specific 70% of people and made a law saying they will always be the Privileged Majority Class. However, in a theoretical democracy where the law becomes whatever a majority of the people want, in real life, not only would this majority not always the same people (there is no one party that always wins the Presidency for instance), but people would change their minds many times over the course of a generation, so the majority would not always have the same opinion on controversial topics. Besides, do you really think the majority (in America) would tyrannize the minority, given that, even though the majority of American public, elected officials, etc. is still white, minorities have been gaining more and more equality over the years?
 
Lol, a commentator on tv here just said that after Hillary Clinton said that she appealed to white voters, Obama was able to come across as "colour neutral". :D
 
badmephisto said:
What I was trying to convey was that there is too much attention paid to color issues in this election (I guess for obvious reasons though). What I meant is that for me the issue was always of no importance, but admittedly it is a big step for America to elect a "black" president. And no I don't take color of the skin into account when I call people black or white or whatever, but mostly their descent. You can go and have your body tanned - are you brown now? It doesn't make any sense. Are all albino blacks actually white? Shall we start assigning RGB color values to people next? It's ridiculous.
And yes naturally I do separate people into civilized and uncivilized in general.
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*puts foot in mouth*

Sorry badmephisto, I just misread your statement it sounds like. I do think race has been a factor for the election, at least in certain areas. The fact that a large percentage of African Americans are voting for Obama is one thing. Also, I live in the south so I do hear a lot of "I'll never vote for a black man". I guess I've learned to get my spurs up too soon, and I apologize if I came across gruff, it wasn't my intention. I personally am incredibly excited that we might actually elect a non-white-guy president for the first time!

Chris
 
Besides the decriminalization of weed in Massachusetts and the keeping of abortion legal in Nebraska, everything that happened today was horrible.
 
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