KLL

So... why doesn't anyone use this method? I mean, it's much better than ZBLL in terms of alg count, and it looks like more people know Winter Variation nowadays. I shall give it a go over the summer and generate some optimal Winter Variation algs that don'tt preserve EO, as well as better KLL (or COALL or whatever) algs. I think that one should avoid the X cases by deciding when to use standard Winter Variation and when to use optimal WV, since the X cases are simply atrocious. What's the speedsolving community's general opinion about this method, and is it a good idea for me to pursue this?
 
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Probably because no one wants to sink a bunch of time learning something that doesn't have good algs yet and isn't proven to be good.

Also, I think people who use LL methods will have trouble switching to different ones unless they don't care about their current speed all that much.

Honestly, Roux users are more likely to learn this. :) "KLL" would/will be the 1LLL subset I'd learn first. Learning ZBLL first is a strange order to learn 1LLL in.
 
https://docs.google.com/document/d/1QJcektUdak3svSoDmUUHAze9YmHQG9BRzeJUxs5_So8/edit

Well, I think this should be a good start for learning "KLL". It's pretty much the OLLCPs for when the corners are oriented, but I had trouble naming it. Let me know if the link doesn't work. And anyone, feel free to add better algs beneath the ones I have found. I'm almost done working on the optimal winter variation, where EO doesn't matter.
 
Optimal WV that doesn't preserve edge orientation (for speed). But I think it would be good to use standard WV if all edges are already oriented. Also, I think MGLS may come in handy as well, minus the edge orientation step. What other ways would be optimal for LS + CO?
http://www.speedsolving.com/wiki/index.php/Coall
This is where I've been getting my numbers from btw.
 
New LL Subset - MBLL

Hey everyone,

Over the past few months, I've been working with fellow member supercavitation (Josh Bloch) to bring you a LL subset that is similar to ZBLL, with the key difference in instead of requiring edges oriented after F2L's completion to one-look the last layer, it's corners oriented. Josh has generously donated his time to generate the algorithms and diagrams found in the link below for this subset, and all we ask is that you use it well, and don't claim it as your own or any of that other nasty stuff. Feel free to discuss pros and cons, feedback, alternate algs, or anything else about this subset here.

Thanks! :D
Tom Maguire and Josh Bloch

PS: We understand that a similar subset exists under "COALL", but as hardly any work has been put into that, we thought it was fair to give our names to it.

https://docs.google.com/document/d/1Zo7jCkXYqHVxRouJwXgG8fJM2cUAjxNQzSHauKLVpCA
 
Hm. I think this is pretty neat. It's like this:CFCE::ZBLL:CFOP. I respect all the effort put into this. I might give a shot at learning some of these.
 
For the second case on the google docs,
M' U M U2 M' U M

For the 3rd case:
y r U R' U' M U R U' R'

There are numerous cases in this list that can be done with M (PLL) M' or M' (PLL) M. I'm too lazy to find them all :)

It would be nice if you could number all the cases, so that it's easier to talk about them.


EDIT: How many cases are there?
 
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