Why are speedcubers on SpeedSolving.com so mean?

[~Adam~]

I have seen people be mean on these forums (I'm probably included in that). In the vast majority of cases it is because the person is being lazy and trying to get other people to do what they could do easily with a little research.

I believe there is stuff you have to read before posting initially giving you info like using the search function and reading stickies.
If people are too lazy or ignorant to do that I think it is justified for members to be 'mean' back.

I also don't think that the OPs points are examples of people being mean. I think the OP is just overly sensitive.
If you don't like the tone you read a comment in trying rereading it in a different tone.

Edit - after reading the whole thread I have come to the conclusion that a few people in the thread would like everyone else to change how they post on the forums instead of having to change the way they perceive the posts.
This falls into the 'lazy' category IMO.

Case in point, after having cubists corrected to cubers very politely the nonsense word was still being used.
If the response had been 'mean' instead would cubist have been used again in the thread? I doubt it.

 

[elrog]

Some People are mean sometimes, but it isn't enough to label the group as a whole as being mean. There are many nice people on the forums. I voted no.

 

[Stefan]

Some People are mean sometimes, but it isn't enough to label the group as a whole as being mean. There are many nice people on the forums.

That's true. Chris Hardwick's niceness alone foils any attempt to establish this as a mean place.

 

[A Leman]

I like that Stefan is always detailed and accurate. It's always nicer to get information from someone who reads beforehand and cites facts than people that spread misinformation that I have to learn over later. That alone makes him very valuable on the forum and gives his posts authenticity. Stating things that you don't know about in a very matter of fact tone without facts can lead to misunderstandings that need to be corrected.

 

[CubezUBR]

people (^) tend to "disrespect" slower people , thats why im trying so hard to be fast so i can fit in with the "cool" guys (also ^)
+people ask stupid questions that could be found out in the search function or 1 answer question thing thread. or they have so little understanding of a thread they turn from someone who needs to ask a question to someone who is unaccepted in the discussion. people need to be aware not everyone has as much knowledge or is as fast, and treat them how they need to be treated
needless to say i have given up asking questions...

 

[~Adam~]

people (^) tend to "disrespect" slower people , thats why im trying so hard to be fast so i can fit in with the "cool" guys

That is not true. People who continually post stupid things get disrespected.

 

[Yellowsnow98]

That is not true. People who continually post stupid things get disrespected.

This.
I'm pretty slow but I don't get abuse from anyone. (Even thinking about giving me a hard time will get you butchered in your sleep )
Anyone who posts exceedingly stupid topics/questions/ideas deserve what they get.
Enough said.

 

[Stefan]

Enough said.

I would point out how utterly useless, arrogant and annoying this phrase is if I weren't so afraid of getting butchered in my sleep.

 

[Kirjava]

Many people these days do not do research. They will create a topic on something that is covered on the wiki, regs, or elsewhere on the forum without even trying to find information on it. This happens often.

They ask questions with no real answers. They don't ask the right questions based on what they need. They expect there's something we're not telling them that will allow them to break 30 seconds. Or what the exact average you need to get before learning some set of algorithms. They don't realise there is more than one path for getting faster. The help forum is filled with threads about getting past some arbitrary barrier as if there's a different answer for each. Questions are asked about things based on faulty assumptions.

Then they make topics complaining that their repost was merged into another thread or they didn't get the answer they wanted.

Why are you complaining that we told you to use the search function instead of giving you the answer? If the answer can be found using the search function - your mistake was not using it. Do you even have any kind of desire to learn things yourself without having a personal trainer? It's not mean - we're trying to help you help yourself.

People are oversensitive and take honest truths as some kind of personal attack. They act badly to criticism that is based upon prior knowledge. You may think I'm just trying to shoot your idea down, but I'm telling you that I don't think it will work based upon truths. There would be no reason to have a go at something that genuinely has the potential to be good. If your ideas are always being shot down, maybe they are just bad ideas.

I strive to produce new and unique content for this forum and contribute to our hivemind. It's frustrating to see people just continually ask questions that are already documented when I used to love going onto the forum to see what new stuff people had come up with. I have no idea why I'm still here at this point.

We don't disrespect people for being slow. That is an absolute lie.

 

[masterofthebass]

if a 50 second solver asked a question about roux for example, people would make assumptions that he is a slow, bad, noob...
however if a 12 second solver made the exactly the same question, he would be given a different answer, or so i have observed. its not always a bad thing, however, he might want it in simpler terms, oh well, i guess this is a pointless argument

Speed has nothing to do with knowledge. Look at someone along the lines of Mike Hughey, or Brest, or a whole host of other people who, independent of their speed, have taken the time to learn about cubing and can discuss it with anyone of any speed.


The major problem most people have when they come to any forum dedicated to a specific subject is they don't take enough time to familiarize themselves with the information that's already available. If someone is asking a question that actually has substance to it, no one in their right mind is going to care what speed that person is. Just do your research before asking something and no one is going to give you a hassle.

 

[Noahaha]

Many people these days do not do research. They will create a topic on something that is covered on the wiki, regs, or elsewhere on the forum without even trying to find information on it. This happens often.

They ask questions with no real answers. They don't ask the right questions based on what they need. They expect there's something we're not telling them that will allow them to break 30 seconds. Or what the exact average you need to get before learning some set of algorithms. They don't realise there is more than one path for getting faster. The help forum is filled with threads about getting past some arbitrary barrier as if there's a different answer for each. Questions are asked about things based on faulty assumptions.

Then they make topics complaining that their repost was merged into another thread or they didn't get the answer they wanted.

Why are you complaining that we told you to use the search function instead of giving you the answer? If the answer can be found using the search function - your mistake was not using it. Do you even have any kind of desire to learn things yourself without having a personal trainer? It's not mean - we're trying to help you help yourself.

People are oversensitive and take honest truths as some kind of personal attack. They act badly to criticism that is based upon prior knowledge. You may think I'm just trying to shoot your idea down, but I'm telling you that I don't think it will work based upon truths. There would be no reason to have a go at something that genuinely has the potential to be good. If your ideas are always being shot down, maybe they are just bad ideas.

I strive to produce new and unique content for this forum and contribute to our hivemind. It's frustrating to see people just continually ask questions that are already documented when I used to love going onto the forum to see what new stuff people had come up with. I have no idea why I'm still here at this point.

We don't disrespect people for being slow. That is an absolute lie.

I agree with all of this, especially the bold part. A great example of that is rybaby's Waterman thread.

 

[sneaklyfox]

And I mean *valid*. The fact that faster times have been achieved with CFOP proves absolutely nothing when one method is used and optimized by thousand of people and the other one by only a handful of cubers. Most people said the same about Roux a couple of years ago, look at what Roux users can do now.

What I meant with my comment about CFOP and Waterman was that CFOP has been proven to be fast because of the times people have already achieved using the method while Waterman has not been proven to be fast (yet?) Sure, maybe one day you or someone else can prove it to be fast as well. I don't know what's the fastest average achieved with Waterman in competition right now but I don't think it's close so I say it is not a proven method.

In my opinion a forum does not work well if it has chatting kind of threads, informative contributions seems to work very well

Well, I agree informative contributions work well and are mostly what forums are for. But maybe there's a place for some chatting... there's a greater sense of community if members like hanging together too. Marcel's thread in the off topic forum is an example. It's very chatty... we chat about cubes and anything else. But that's why it's in the off topic forum where it should be. I guess it would not work if we were overrun with chat threads all over the place though but it's contained.

Case in point, after having cubists corrected to cubers very politely the nonsense word was still being used.
If the response had been 'mean' instead would cubist have been used again in the thread? I doubt it.

I don't know how the OP would have reacted if I were "mean" about "cuber" vs "cubist" but some people get worse when they are spoken to in a blunt/rude/mean manner. Anyway, I'd rather start with the softer approach first before going to stronger measures. Is it supposed to be different on an online forum than in real life? Don't you ask people politely with "please" first? Don't you say, "Please be quiet," instead of "Shut up"? I think it's sad and true that the internet has gotten more hostile and nasty. People hide behind a cover of anonymity and say some really cruel things that they may not be saying to your face in person. Mainly I think it's because nobody knows who you really are and you have no relationship with most people you meet online to care what they think if you are rude or impolite. People are nicer in person, but hopefully not because they're hiding the fact they think you're stupid or something else. A little politeness goes a long way. I shouldn't have to shove my way around the internet to get a point across.

 

[Yellowsnow98]

I would point out how utterly useless, arrogant and annoying this phrase is if I weren't so afraid of getting butchered in my sleep.

Utterly useless, arrogant and annoying.
You know me better than I know myself.

 

[rj]

Utterly useless, arrogant and annoying.
You know me better than I know myself.

I think Stefan is the nicest person on the forum. (just like Noah said in his worlds interview video, hem, hem.)

 

[sneaklyfox]

Maybe the age of this community has something to do with the way one has to get a point across. Not trying to make a blanket statement about all the young people here because I've met some very nice and respectable younger persons. Anyway, I just get this image of a school classroom where the teacher is trying to teach and half the class is just chatting amongst themselves or texting (as I heard people do these days). They'll do this until the teacher gets really upset and starts sending people to the office. A nice "please be quiet and listen" probably wouldn't have cut it at all. I think in the older days (even before my time) people would know they should have been quiet in the first place and not talk when the teacher is giving a lesson. I hope most *older* people are more respectful. Except I think Stefan is about my age and I didn't appreciate the comment about OP mispelling his username by leaving out a "c". A sort of joke that you could make but that you don't because it's not nice. Considering OPs feeling of the forum already, it would be the kind of joke to make the other blunt and to the point types laugh along while further isolating the OP.

 

[rj]

Maybe the age of this community has something to do with the way one has to get a point across. Not trying to make a blanket statement about all the young people here because I've met some very nice and respectable younger persons. Anyway, I just get this image of a school classroom where the teacher is trying to teach and half the class is just chatting amongst themselves or texting (as I heard people do these days). They'll do this until the teacher gets really upset and starts sending people to the office. A nice "please be quiet and listen" probably wouldn't have cut it at all. I think in the older days (even before my time) people would know they should have been quiet in the first place and not talk when the teacher is giving a lesson. I hope most *older* people are more respectful. Except I think Stefan is about my age and I didn't appreciate the comment about OP mispelling his username by leaving out a "c". A sort of joke that you could make but that you don't because it's not nice. Considering OPs feeling of the forum already, it would be the kind of joke to make the other blunt and to the point types laugh along while further isolating the OP.

Stefan is older than you. I have never gotten any flak from him whatsoever. Is that unusual?

 

[rybaby]

Give. ut misinformation, unfairly disrespect Minh Thai, use bad arguments

You misspelled your username as well, btw, there's a "c" missing at the start.

I feel like I respect Minh Thai a lot more than most who try to invalidate his WR and such. I was purely being hypothetical.
"Bad arguments": again, I did not intend for anyone to argue. I was merely pointing out what I had read on several web pages.
My username doesn't have a "c" in it -- R-Y-B-A-B-Y

 

[Yellowsnow98]

I think Stefan is the nicest person on the forum. (just like Noah said in his worlds interview video, hem, hem.)

Stefan is a really nice guy. Like me, he only abuses people who deserve it.

 

[rj]

Stefan is a really nice guy. Like me, he only abuses people who deserve it.

rybaby doesn't deserve it.

 

[Kirjava]

I feel like I respect Minh Thai a lot more than most who try to invalidate his WR and such. I was purely being hypothetical.
"Bad arguments": again, I did not intend for anyone to argue. I was merely pointing out what I had read on several web pages.
My username doesn't have a "c" in it -- R-Y-B-A-B-Y

You cannot take criticism. You are are perfect example of why you think people are mean. You are the problem.