(Re-)considering The Limits

[cubernya]

I'm pretty sure the WCA filters competition scrambles to stop that being possible. I think the optimal solution has to be 13 moves or more (possibly 14).

No. Whatever scramble is received is used, unless it's shown to the board and they say to throw it out

 

[Rune]

You´ll never find it.That would mean that you can accept X.yz as a possible abslolute limit but not X.yz-1. And how could you conclude that?

 

[Stefan]

No. Whatever scramble is received is used, unless it's shown to the board and they say to throw it out

"Shown to the board"? I don't know what filtering is encoded in the scrambler program and whether it's in the version on the WCA website already, but...

"Scrambles are filtered according to rules set by the WCA Board. Note that these rules are not hardcoded in the WCA Regulations."
source

 

[CubezUBR]

Some super human mathmatician might have a brain powerfull enough to generate a soloution just like those solving apps that you imput the cube and it gives you a 20+ move soloution, give him super fast fingers and you have a new world record, also we have a nearly perfect 3x3 methods (zz,cfop,roux) and any faster than 5 seconds requres a skip of some sort, but what about bigger cubes, imo we dont even nearly have a perfect method. Time will go on and we will descover

 

[TheOneOnTheLeft]

any faster than 5 seconds requres a skip of some sort

Actually, Feliks got a 4.42 full step. It does have a very short F2L though.

 

[rj]

Some super human mathmatician might have a brain powerfull enough to generate a soloution just like those solving apps that you imput the cube and it gives you a 20+ move soloution, give him super fast fingers and you have a new world record, also we have a nearly perfect 3x3 methods (zz,cfop,roux) and any faster than 5 seconds requres a skip of some sort, but what about bigger cubes, imo we dont even nearly have a perfect method. Time will go on and we will descover

Jessica Fridrich agrees with you. I think that a blockbuilding/1LLL method will take the cake. VHLS?

 

[uberCuber]

VHLS

eugh

 

[rj]

eugh

What do you mean?

 

[aceofspades98]

What do you mean?

He doesn't agree with you and neither do I. I think Roux will "take the cake".

 

[ianliu64]

He doesn't agree with you and neither do I. I think Roux will "take the cake".

Seee. That's the problem. I want to switch to Roux, but I've tried, and I suck at it because I'm so used to CFOP... D:
fml.

 

[rj]

I Roux. I avg 40 secs.

 

[CubezUBR]

Jessica Fridrich agrees with you. I think that a blockbuilding/1LLL method will take the cake. VHLS?

vhls is stupid unless you can recognise the "magic cases", like knowing when to sledgehammer or up across down. i only use it for coll when i see a case thats fast

 

[rj]

vhls is stupid unless you can recognise the "magic cases", like knowing when to sledgehammer or up across down. i only use it for coll when i see a case thats fast

I can usually manipulate the LL edges, no problem.

 

[YddEd]

Seee. That's the problem. I want to switch to Roux, but I've tried, and I suck at it because I'm so used to CFOP... D:
fml.

And isn't that why you practise?

 

[AvGalen]

Some super human mathmatician might have a brain powerfull enough to generate a soloution just like those solving apps that you imput the cube and it gives you a 20+ move soloution, give him super fast fingers and you have a new world record, also we have a nearly perfect 3x3 methods (zz,cfop,roux) and any faster than 5 seconds requres a skip of some sort, but what about bigger cubes, imo we dont even nearly have a perfect method. Time will go on and we will descover

The fastest people in the world now take longer to perform a 20 move scramble than to perform a 50 move solution

 

[Ross The Boss]

He doesn't agree with you and neither do I. I think Roux will "take the cake".

roux isnt better than a method like cfop. they are two very diferent methods which suit different types of cubers. they are both equally fast but one cuber may be may better off with one of them depending on his/her solving style, turning abilities, and the way they think of the cube.
im pretty sure that all of this has been said before many times.

 

[Stefan]

The fastest people in the world now take longer to perform a 20 move scramble than to perform a 50 move solution

I doubt that. But if true, it might be because they're not trying to scramble as fast as they can.

Also, most solutions wouldn't exceed 18 moves. Unless optimized for finger speed, which is another improvement.

 

[Stefan]

roux isnt better than a method like cfop. they are two very diferent methods which suit different types of cubers. they are both equally fast but one cuber may be may better off with one of them depending on his/her solving style, turning abilities, and the way they think of the cube.
im pretty sure that all of this has been said before many times.

Saying they're equally fast is just as wrong as saying they're not.

 

[Ross The Boss]

Saying they're equally fast is just as wrong as saying they're not.

ya youre right. i should have said something along the lines of: they both have equal potential but one peson would be better off with one method than someone else would be. (not a very well writen sentence but i'll do).

 

[Stefan]

i should have said something along the lines of: they both have equal potential

That's pretty much how I interpreted "equally fast" already. And I think it's wrong saying that, cause we can't know about the potentials. And if we could, I'd be rather surprised if they were equal. I'd expect some difference. Actually, that does make saying "they're not equally fast" better than "they are", let me correct myself here. I do consider "they're equally fast" just as bad as picking one and saying it's faster.

Though, my personal current suspicion is that Roux has more potential, given Alex's average-of-100 record which even Feliks recently called "ridiculous", and the fact that Roux has had far less usage than CFOP. Alex is obviously awesome, but statistically speaking, he's maybe a "1 in 100" speedcuber, so what might happen if a maybe "1 in 10000" speedcuber like Feliks used Roux? (Not implying Feliks is better than Alex, again just statistically speaking. And the numbers are of course made up, the point just being there are many more serious CFOP cubers than Roux cubers).