What times make you good?

[TheNextFeliks]

So if you avg WR then you are not a great cuber?

Then you are good. I am mediocre at best. (I avg 27)

 

[yoshinator]

You're making the assumption that only the speed is important.

Another valid point of view is that speed methods are crap methods to solve a cube. 55 HTM to solve a cube with CFOP is very inefficient.

Who can argue that Tomoaki Okayama isn't an expert ?

Um... yeah, that's because we're on SPEEDSOLVING.COM! We are talking exclusively about speed here, I mean, the title of the thread is what *times* make you good? You can argue all you want that efficiency is the most important thing in the world, but we are talking about speed here. When qqwref and I say "expert" we are not referring to an overall expert at the cube, we are talking about speed, because that is what this website is for, that is what the thread is about.

Not sure I agree with those 4x4 times.. I think it's a lot easier to sub-20 with 3x3 than sub-60 with 4x4

I think that's because you're not taking into account that bigger cubes are just harder to improve at than 3x3, because solves take less time. I you did an equivalent number of solves in 3x3 and 4x4 (instead of an equivalent amount of time) I think you wouldn't find it so.

Also, your 4x4 probably sucks.

 

[Pyjam]

Ridiculous. No time makes you an expert. Only knowledge can.

And I can tell you because... I'm an expert !

 

[jayefbe]

There are two sides to this debate. People that think speed should not constitute whether someone is a cubing expert or not, and those who realize that's true, but this thread (and this whole forum to a large degree) is dedicated only to speed so that is the only aspect that they are taking into consideration.

This thread is concerned with a single topic. If you want to argue that learning Heise over CFOP makes you more "expert", then that's another thread. For the purposes of this thread, the only thing taken into consideration is speed. So from that aspect alone, it is clearly not true. While what constitutes a cubing expert in general is difficult to define, a speed cubing expert is very easy to define. That is one reason, I believe, that cubing for speed is so popular compared to many other aspects of cubing. It is one of the only objective ways to accurately rank someone's abilities (FMC also works, but there seems to be much higher variance in scores from any person, which makes it harder to accurately judge a person's abilities).

 

[insane569]

For the purposes of this thread, the only thing taken into consideration is speed.

I think this is causing the most problems. If we're going for over all speed, Faz would no doubt be an expert since he ranks pretty high in all puzzles.

I think we should narrow down this thread, are we talking about 3x3 only? And if we are talking 3x3 do we take into consideration all the current rankings. It seems like people here are just spitting random numbers that they think are good.

Side note, the entire forum is for puzzle solving, not just speed. A bunch of elite cubers nowadays huh? Stop paying so much attention to the name of the website.

 

[ben1996123]

2x2:

Fast: sub 2
Oh yeah not bad: 2-2.5
Good: 2.5-3
Meh: 3-3.5
Slow: >3.5

 

[Maskow]

MBLD:
<20 noob
20-40 apprentice
40-48 expert
48+ master
: F

 

[aznanimedude]

Maskow == God Status

 

[ben1996123]

majic:

good: sub 1
slow: sup 1

 

[PeelingStickers]

105x105x105

Noob: DNF

Good: Solved

 

[Pyjam]

If you consider Kirjava, he's not officially sub-10, he's not in the top 100, but he can sub-20 in 20 methods.
Who can seriously argue he's not an expert in speedcubing because he's not officially sub-10 ?

 

[Smiles]

according to this i'm awesome at the 3x3 even though sometimes i get so frustrated and i cant stop finding things i need to improve on and there's just too much so i can never do it.
jesus.

If you consider Kirjava, he's not officially sub-10, he's not in the top 100, but he can sub-20 in 20 methods.
Who can seriously argue he's not an expert in speedcubing because he's not officially sub-10 ?

well seeing as the purpose of speedcubing is to solve the cube really fast (not with a variety of methods), it just depends on your definition of expert.
based on only his official times you could say there are a lot of people better, but knowledge-wise he's definitely one of the best.

 

[guythatlikesOH]

In my opinion, an expert is someone who can no longer be taught about a certain subject, they can only advance by working thing out themselfs.

That makes perfect sense, because no one is going to try to teach Feliks F2L.

 

[Escher]

I'd just like to point out here that I don't think we all have the physical or mental ability to get to, say, sub8 - it's not just about how many hours of deliberate practice you've put into the cube. I've always been a relatively slow (but relatively consistent) turner and I think if I really totally perfected my solves I could *maybe* get into the mid or high 9s, but not much farther than that, just due to the turnspeed difference between me going at full tilt and an actual top 3x3er.

Yeah, I think that's right. I wouldn't claim to know whether one can be trained out of this or if there really is a physical barrier. My point of course assumes that those times are reachable for the individual in the first place.

 

[KongShou]

When he knows full ZBLL.
For example, Michal pleskovicz knows half ZBLL. so he is half expert

is this true? where did you get this info from?

 

[ben1996123]

5bld 3x3

7.07, (7.73), 6.53, 6.42, 5.87, 6.32, 6.58, 7.04, 7.62, 6.28, (5.47), 6.70 = 6.643 = tied UWR Lol !.

but whomqaars

 

[RaresB]

Using today's statistics:

About 24% (4645/19231) average below 20 seconds, making them decent

About 9% (1699/19231) average below 15 seconds, making them good

About 2% (421/19231) average below 12 seconds, making them great

About 0.4% (76/19231) average below 10 seconds, making them amazing

About 0.015 percent (3/19231) average below 8 seconds, making them the best

 

[KongShou]

Using today's statistics:

About 24% (4645/19231) average below 20 seconds, making them decent

About 9% (1699/19231) average below 15 seconds, making them good

About 2% (421/19231) average below 12 seconds, making them great

About 0.4% (76/19231) average below 10 seconds, making them amazing

About 0.015 percent (3/19231) average below 8 seconds, making them the best

da spy!!!!!
damn im only classed as good.

 

[Skullush]

Your opinion of "expert" and "beginner" and such will be highly dependent on how fast/good you are. It's all relative

MBLD:
<20 noob
20-40 apprentice
40-48 expert
48+ master
: F

Case in point

But in my opinion
1:00+ - Noob
30-1:00 - Beginner
15-30 - Intermediate
10-15 - Advanced
<10 - Expert

 

[Noahaha]

Sup-2:00 = beginner
Sub-2:00 = advanced beginner
Sub-1:00 = intermediate
Sub-50 = advanced intermediate
Sub-40 = crap
Sub-30 = amazing