Joseph Wong
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Hi everyone,
I was just wondering whether there is an order of PLL from easiest to lowest.
Thanks
I was just wondering whether there is an order of PLL from easiest to lowest.
Thanks
PLL order from easiest to hardest
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Dene
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No there isn't. Different people have different preferences. There are some which are "generally" considered faster than others, for example U perms and H perm, while others are "generally" considered slower, such as N perms and R perms. But really it comes down to how hard you practise a particular algorithm, and what suits your style.
~Adam~
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For me Us, H, Js, Z, As, T, Rs Gs, E, F, Y, V, Ns.
mark49152
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Easiest in what sense? To learn, to execute, to be fast at, or to find good choice of algs for?
One thing that surprises me is that lots of people leave learning the G perms til last. They are not that hard, are very similar so best learned at the same time as variations of one pattern, and 1 in 4.5 solves ends in a G perm. So in terms of getting best value from time invested, it makes more sense to learn the G perms first.
One thing that surprises me is that lots of people leave learning the G perms til last. They are not that hard, are very similar so best learned at the same time as variations of one pattern, and 1 in 4.5 solves ends in a G perm. So in terms of getting best value from time invested, it makes more sense to learn the G perms first.
Joseph Wong
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Easiest to execute
and BTW i think alot of people start with the T-perm cause it is easy to learn?
H is my favourite
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applemobile
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Stop waiting time and just learn them. What ever order you want. Why not go alphabetical just for fun?
Joseph Wong
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or should i learn them by probability of them occuring
mark49152
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Whatever you want, but probability makes sense. There's little point learning an N perm first that will only come up in 1/72 solves - not only will it not help your averages much, but it's harder to remember if you don't use it much. Like I said, maybe learn G perms first. Yes, T is easy and there are good Jb, F and Y algs that are just variations of T so easy to learn and remember together.
T: R U R' U' R' F R2 U' R' U' R U R' F'
F: R' U' F' [R U R' U' R' F R2 U' R' U' R U R'] U R
Y: F [R' F R2 U' R' U' R U R' F'] R U R' U' F'
Jb: R U R' F' [R U R' U' R' F R2 U' R']
Note the sections in brackets are big chunks of T perm. Also learn to finger them properly - a good place to start is jskyler91's Tperm video on Youtube.
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kunparekh18
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Yes, I would do this
Kirjava
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CW A perm is the easiest
applemobile
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There really is no point in worrying about the order. There is only 21 and you will come across them all. Just learn whatever you want.
As for which is easiest, H perm.
As for which is easiest, H perm.
DavidCubie
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Easiest PLL's: H,Z,U(a), U(b), T, J(b), A(a), A(b)
Hardest: R (a), V, F, E.
That's for me.
Hardest: R (a), V, F, E.
That's for me.
Ickathu
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doesn't matter, you're going to learn them all eventually.
I think the H-perm was easiest to learn, but I find that I can execute my U-perms a lot faster, and although many say the G-perms are horrible, I rather like mine and have never had any trouble with recognition.
It all depends on the person.
mark49152
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OP has indicated that he wants to think about what's the best order to learn them in. Nothing silly about that.
I also think it's easy for experienced cubers to say these things don't matter when learning PLLs for the first time is a distant memory for them. As someone who learned full PLL recently and spent a lot of time on it, I did think about how I used that time and how to make my learning most effective. Advice like "it doesn't matter" has zero value when you're trying to decide which one to learn next. (And ulitmately none of it matters, it's only a hobby.)
kunparekh18
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I would suggest learning then by their chance of occurring, most the most probable ones to occur first.
EMI
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M-slice H-, U-, Z-perms are easy and important for 2-look. A-perms are also easy to learn. If you know 2L-OLL, then E-perm can be easy too, as it is just two corner OLLs.
~Adam~
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I learnt Us, H and Z one evening so I could solve Siamese cubes.
Then As so I could solve 2 look.
I decided to learn Y, V, E and Ns in one go so that I didn't have to do 3 algs to solve any case.
I did Gs in one go because they were so similar followed by the few left over in pairs.
With hindsight I'd probably learn them in the same order again but just add an A in with the initial Us, H and Z.
Then As so I could solve 2 look.
I decided to learn Y, V, E and Ns in one go so that I didn't have to do 3 algs to solve any case.
I did Gs in one go because they were so similar followed by the few left over in pairs.
With hindsight I'd probably learn them in the same order again but just add an A in with the initial Us, H and Z.
applemobile
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Because any 'experienced' cuber with hindsight realises that if they had not spent so much time fussing about the order, and just did what ever, realise that you need to learn them all anyway, and it really doesn't take that long so the best advice is to just get on with it and do whatever you feel like.
mark49152
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It wastes no significant time choosing a reasoned order over a random or alphabetical one, it's more fun thinking about it than not thinking about it, and more satisfying along the way when you see results quicker.
arvind1999
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Easiest: H, Z
Hardest: Gs
Hardest: Gs
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