Should we ban pillowed 7x7x7s?

[rubixwiz031]

Yes, it should be banned. It shouldn't have been made legal in the 1st place IMO.

Well there wasn't any alternative for a long time.

 

[Zarxrax]

I think it does need to be banned for consistency with other events since we have cubic 7x7x7s now.
But they should save it for the next update of the rules (2014?), to give people plenty of advance notice.

 

[TheNextFeliks]

Most have vcubes so they would basically have to switch to SS

 

[Bob]

the event itself should be removed

Where's the "Like" button?

 

[Isaac Paurus]

Where's the "Like" button?

why do you guys hate 7x7?

 

[ducttapecuber]

Yes, it should be banned. It shouldn't have been made legal in the 1st place IMO.

The pillowed v-cube was the only 7x7 available for some time.

Here is my point with banning pillowed 7x7's compared to banning stickerless cubes in BLD:
First thing is that stickerless cubes are banned in normal solving because of obvious cheating capabilities. Stickerless cubes where still allowed in BLD because that particular "advantage" did not apply to BLD solving. I do see the advantage of memo-ing a stickerless cube however 4 out of 5 serious BLD solvers use stickerless because they don't have to change these stickers. Having the colored plastic gives a slight advantage to memo-ing but not greatly. I do however believe that there was no need for the ban; however I understand why the ban was put into place. As compared to the pillowed v7 you have a different advantage; you can slightly see the stickers better. I feel that this is not great enough or important enough to completely ban the first 7x7 available. Think of the immediate consequences of banning it:
1. You know that Verdes (v-cube owner) will throw a fit and sue Shengshou (he has a very big temper)
2. Shengshou is the only cubic 7x7, therefore creating a cubing monopoly. (which are illegal in the US)
3. This would cause a huge decrease in 7x7 competitors.
4. This would anger many people
Just to name the big ones

This pillowed v-cube was the first 7x7. It was revolutionary with its pillowed design, Verdes figured out a way to make a 7x7 with it being structurally sound. Banning the v7 is like banning a Rubik’s 4x4 because it has a different mechanism. That is all the pillow is a revolutionary mechanism
Just think about the consequences of banning the pillowed v7 before you do.

-Ducttapecuber

 

[Czaroman93]

Of course, everybody uses pillowed 7x7s because "it is possible to see more on these cubes", and that makes your solves faster. -,-
It has no sense for me, and for me both, pillowed 7x7s and stickerless cubes should not be banned. These cubes "help you" only in theory - in reality nobody during doing U move checks what are the colours on the B side in normal solve. (maybe apart from these people who don't like stickerless cubes...). When you do memo u can't do moves, so it does not help you in any way On 7x7 the only thing u think about during the solve is to find the next piece as fast as it is possible, not thinking how many stickers can I see without rotating the cube.
And yeah, many people prefer vcube more than ss.

 

[ketchuphater999]

Until enough cubic 7x7 are mass-produced, they should be allowed. Once there are more that a few cubic 7x7s and some of them are cheap enough for poor people to buy, then they could be banned.

 

[prażeodym]

We all are the WCA, if the community doesn't support the delegates and boardmembers, there's nothing left.

Eric pls
Just tell me more about how wca listen to the community, I see only "We did this and You have to deal with it"
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I actually hate these discussions. I just do not understand why people keep on discussing this matter when there is an easy solution: just use "normal" cubes. There are many good cubes!(...)

I see something like "I know better about every single event than You, so why are You still discussing about it?"

I think that it is nonsense as to ban pillowed 7x7 as to ban colored cubes for blind. But if wca have that sux rulez, they will have to change just to make better "sake of consistency".

 

[cubegenius]

The original puzzle was pillowed, many people still use pillowed 7x7s, and the pillowedness wasn't a problem when it was added as an event. I think that they should not be banned for those and other reasons.

 

[Kirjava]

Just tell me more about how wca listen to the community, I see only "We did this and You have to deal with it"

The WCA are a brilliant organisation for listening to the community.

Two of my favourite examples;

When a poll indicating that we didn't want an inspection time change stopped any plans that were being made to change it from happening.

When WCA made an announcement about the possible removal of Magic and Mastermagic to gauge cubers' reactions before taking any actual action.

 

[TheNextFeliks]

Stop saying there are cubic. The only mass produced is shengshou so as ducttapecuber said, it creates a monopoly then vcubes will sue ss then we got nothing. Either leave it as is or remove the entire event. That's my view.
Also why does pillowing give an advantage?

 

[bgdgyfer]

This may be a stupid question but, are shengshou 7x7s allowed to bed used in a compition

 

[JasonK]

This may be a stupid question but, are shengshou 7x7s allowed to bed used in a compition

Yes.

 

[Noahaha]

Can we all stop caring SO much about tiny changes in the rules?

Unrelatedly, this 7x7 thing is a big deal so we should definitely care about it.

I would say yes, but not before more people have ShengShou's/another company makes a cubic 7x7.

 

[AlexByard]

No, they shouldn't (in my opinion). I feel that coloured cubes should not be banned for BLD also. To be fair, I say they should not be banned at all, but i do see the reasoning behind the illegality. To me the banning of coloured cubes for BLD solving is just away for the WCA to tidy up any confusion that smaller competitions may have. So, in my opinion, no they shouldn't ban the pillowed cubes, neither should they ban coloured cubes for BLD.

 

[tx789]

Verdes will have fit as people have said he will force shengshou to stop selling them and may release a cubic one (unlikely)

 

[Ranzha]

The question I'd ask first is "Do pillowed 7x7s give a distinguishable time advantage over cubic 7x7s?"
I'd argue against there being any correlation between using a pillowed 7x7 and achieving faster times. When the ShengShou 7x7 was first released, the overall consensus I got was "I can finally be as fast at 7x7 as I'd like to be." If anything, the ShengShou 7x7's invention flips the argument of "pillowed 7x7s help achieve faster times" on its head.

As it goes with 7x7 as an event, I'd like to see it go. It takes too much time, it's a hassle to scramble, and it's needlessly redundant.

 

[LNZ]

I do own both a white V7 and a black SS7 and I use them equally. and they're both very good cubes. So both should be allowed in sanctioned WCA events.

 

[tx789]

If anything v cube give a disadvantage