[Unofficial] 4x4 Mean of 3 : 45.91 with 3 Different Methods

[wlstjd2145]

Mean of 3: 45.91
1. 49.39 [DP] Fw' R U2 F' Uw' U2 Rw Fw' Uw' Rw' R2 Fw D Uw' L2 F' Rw' R' F' Uw2 B2 F2 Rw2 L F' Uw2 Rw' D' Uw2 Fw2 F L' D' Uw Rw' F2 B2 Fw' U' Fw'
2. 41.23 [PP] B' U F' Uw' Fw Rw F2 B Uw Fw2 Uw2 R Uw2 Fw D' Fw F' U R2 Rw' Fw2 U' F R' F B' D2 F' Rw2 F2 R Fw2 U' B' Uw' Fw' B' L' D Fw2
3. 47.11 [PP] L F' Uw Rw2 Uw R' L' Uw2 Rw D R U B' Rw2 R Uw U' Fw' Rw' R B' Fw' F' Rw2 B' Uw Fw Uw2 U D Rw R2 D' U2 Rw2 U' Uw2 Fw R2 L2

First : Hoya method (new method made in korea)
Second : Yau method
Third : 3-2-2-2-3 reduction

my main one is the third but fail on this vid O_o

 

[Kirjava]

You perform reduction to 3x3x3 in each solve.

 

[Godmil]

Great TPS. What are the steps in the Hoya method please?

 

[wlstjd2145]

Great TPS. What are the steps in the Hoya method please?

4 centers => solving cross using the rest of the 2 centers => solving 2 centers => 3-2-3 edge pairing

 

[Brest]

Spoiler: Video

[youtubehd]pVRzBfUTQYw[/youtubehd]

Spoiler: 1st solve - 49.39 (Hoya)

f' R U2 F' u' U2 r f' u' r' R2 f D u' L2 F' r' R' F' u2 B2 F2 r2 L F' u2 r' D' u2 f2 F L' D' u r' F2 B2 f' U' f'

y x' // inspection
// 2 opposite centres
U' x u U' r' // blue / green
// 2 adjacent centres
z' U' l' U x2 U' r' U l' // white
l' U' l D r2 U' r2' // orange
// 4 cross dedges
x3' U' F' L' U' L r U2' r' U r U' r' // WR
D L D U' L U' L3' U2' l' U l // WO
D2 R2' D' r U r' // WG
D2 F2 l' U l // WB
// finish centres and cross
F 3r U' 3r' r U2 r' U' r U r' // yellow / red
F' D' // cross
// finish edges
u U R U R' F R' F' R // OB / GO
y3 U3 u2' // GR
R U' R' u // YG
R U' R' u' // YB
U R U' R' u // RB
U' R U' R' u' R U R' F R' F' R u // YR / YO
// 3x3x3
y2' U3 R U R' U2' R U R' // GO pair
y' U2' R U R' // GR pair
y2' U' R' U R // RB pair
y' R' U R U R' U R U' R' U R // OB pair
r U2 x r U2 r U2' r' U2 l U2 r' U2' r U2 r' U2' r' // orientation parity
U' R' F R U R' F' R F U' F' // OLL
U' y' u2 r2 U2 2R2 U2 r2 u2 // permutation parity
U' F R U' R' U' R U R' F' R U R' U' R' F R F' U' // PLL
View at alg.garron.us

[B]Step	Time	STM	stps	ETM	etps[/b]
[COLOR="red"]Total	49.39	194	3.93	229	4.64[/COLOR]

Step 1	0.87	3	3.45	6	6.90
Step 2	5.26	18	3.42	20	3.80
Step 3	12.97	36	2.78	44	3.39
Step 4	2.83	12	4.24	13	4.59
Step 5	8.27	37	4.47	40	4.84
[COLOR="blue"]Redux	30.20	106	3.51	123	4.07[/COLOR]

F2L	6.00	28	4.67	41	6.83
LL	13.19	60	4.55	65	4.93
[COLOR="blue"]3x3x3	19.19	88	4.59	106	5.52[/COLOR]

[B][SIZE="4"]%[/SIZE]
Step		Time	STM	ETM[/B]
Step 1/Redux	3%	3%	5%
Step 2/Redux	17%	17%	16%
Step 3/Redux	43%	34%	36%
Step 4/Redux	9%	11%	11%
Step 5/Redux	27%	35%	33%
[COLOR="blue"]Redux/Total	61%	55%	54%[/COLOR]

F2L/3x3		31%	32%	39%
LL/3x3		69%	68%	61%
[COLOR="blue"]3x3x3/Total	39%	45%	46%[/COLOR]

Spoiler: View as executed

f' R U2 F' u' U2 r f' u' r' R2 f D u' L2 F' r' R' F' u2 B2 F2 r2 L F' u2 r' D' u2 f2 F L' D' u r' F2 B2 f' U' f'

y x' // inspection
// 2 opposite centres
U' x u U' r' // blue / green
// 2 adjacent centres
z' U' l' U x x U' r' U l' // white
l' l l' U' l D r' r3 U' r2' // orange
// 4 cross dedges
x2' x' U' F' L' U' L r U' U' r' U r U' r' // WR
D L D U' L U' L' L2' U' U' l' U l // WO
D D R2' D' r U r' // WG
D D F2 U U' l' U l // WB
// finish centres and cross
F 3r U' 3r' r U2 r' U' r U r' // yellow / red
F' D' // cross
// finish edges
u U R U R' F R' F' R // OB / GO
U y U y U y u' u' // GR
U U' R U' R' u // YG
R U' R' u' // YB
U R U' R' u // RB
U' R U' R' u' R U R' F R' F' R u // YR / YO
// 3x3x3
U y' y' U U R U R' U' U' R U R' // GO pair
U' y' U' R U R' // GR pair
y' y' U' R' U R // RB pair
U' y' U' U' U' R' U R U R' U R U' R' U R // OB pair
r U2 x r U2 r U2' r' U2 l U2 r' U2' r U r' r U r' U' U' r' // orientation parity
U' R' F R U R' F' R F U' F' // OLL
U' U' U y' u2 r2 U2 l2 3l2' U2 r2 u u // permutation parity
U' F R U' R' U' R U R' F' R U R' U' R' F R F' U' // PLL
View at alg.garron.us

Spoiler: 2nd solve - 41.23 (Yau)

B' U F' u' f r F2 B u f2 u2 R u2 f D' f F' U R2 r' f2 U' F R' F B' D2 F' r2 F2 R f2 U' B' u' f' B' L' D f2

x // inspection
// 1st 2 centres
r' U' r U' r2' // white
r U r' y U l' U l // yellow
// 3 cross dedges
z x' R U' r2 x' U // WO
x' r L2 U // WB
x F r' F' // WG
// last 4 centres
3r U r // blue
3r U2' r U' r2' 3r U' 3R' U2 U r2 U r2' // red
3r U r U' r2' 3r U2 r // green / orange
// finish cross
3r2' (x' z') u U L' U L u' F // WR / cross
// finish edges
u U R' U R U' y L' U L // GR
y L' U L // YO
U2 y U u2' // GO
U2 F R' F' R u // YB
U2 R U' R' u' // YG
U F R' F' R u // RB / OB
// 3x3x3
U' R U R' y' U R' U' R // RB pair
R U R' y' U R' U' R // OB pair
y' R U' R' U2 R U' R' // GR pair
U R' U R U R' U' R // GO pair
U R' U' F U R U' R' F' R // OLL
2U2 r2 U2 2R2 U2 r2 u2 // permutation parity
(y x) R2' D2 R U R' D2 R U' R // PLL
View at alg.garron.us

[B]Step	Time	STM	stps	ETM	etps[/b]
[COLOR="red"]Total	41.23	149	3.61	177	4.29[/COLOR]

Step 1	2.77	12	4.33	13	4.69
Step 2	7.34	14	1.91	19	2.59
Step 3	8.10	27	3.33	31	3.83
Step 4	2.66	8	3.01	9	3.38
Step 5	8.70	32	3.68	40	4.60
[COLOR="blue"]Redux	29.57	93	3.15	112	3.79[/COLOR]

F2L	4.40	30	6.82	35	7.95
LL	7.26	26	3.58	30	4.13
[COLOR="blue"]3x3x3	11.66	56	4.80	65	5.57[/COLOR]

[B][SIZE="4"]%[/SIZE]
Step		Time	STM	ETM[/B]
Step 1/Redux	9%	13%	12%
Step 2/Redux	25%	15%	17%
Step 3/Redux	27%	29%	28%
Step 4/Redux	9%	9%	8%
Step 5/Redux	29%	34%	36%
[COLOR="blue"]Redux/Total	72%	62%	63%[/COLOR]

F2L/3x3		38%	54%	54%
LL/3x3		62%	46%	46%
[COLOR="blue"]3x3x3/Total	28%	38%	37%[/COLOR]

Spoiler: View as executed

B' U F' u' f r F2 B u f2 u2 R u2 f D' f F' U R2 r' f2 U' F R' F B' D2 F' r2 F2 R f2 U' B' u' f' B' L' D f2

x // inspection
// 1st 2 centres
r' U' r U' r2' // white
r U r' y U l' U l // yellow
// 3 cross dedges
z x' R R' R U' r r' r2 x' U // WO
x' r L2 U // WB
x F r' F' // WG
// last 4 centres
3r U r // blue
r r' 3r U' U' r U' r2' 3r U' r 3r' U2 U r2 U r2' // red
r r' 3r U r U' r2' 3r U2 r // green / orange
// finish cross
3r2' (x' z') u U L' U L u' F // WR / cross
// finish edges
u U R' U R U' y L' U L // GR
U' U y L' U L // YO
U U y U u' u' // GO
U U F R' F' R u // YB
U2 R U' R' u' // YG
U F R' F' R u // RB / OB
// 3x3x3
U U' U' R U R' y' U R' U' R // RB pair
R U R' y' U R' U' R // OB pair
y' R U' R' U2 R U' R' // GR pair
U R' U R U R' U' R // GO pair
U R' U' F U R U' R' F' R // OLL
U U u2 r2 U2 l2 3l2' U2 r2 u2 // permutation parity
(y x) R2' D D R U R' D D R U' R // PLL
View at alg.garron.us

Spoiler: 3rd solve - 47.11 (Redux)

L F' u r2 u R' L' u2 r D R U B' r2 R u U' f' r' R B' f' F' r2 B' u f u2 U D r R2 D' U2 r2 U' u2 f R2 L2

x' // inspection
// centres
U2 r' U' r // green
z2 U' r' F r y R' u U2 r U2' r' // blue
z' D2 r2 U' (r' l') // red
U2' l' U l // orange
U' D2 r2 U2' r2' // white / yellow
// edges
u U z2' U' L' U' L U' y' R' U R // WO
U' z2 L' U L // RB
U (x2' y) U2 R U' R' u' // WR
y R U' R' u // WG
U y' R U' R' u' // YR
y U y D F' R' F R u' // WB
U' D' F' R' F R u // GO
U D2 F' R' F R u' // GR
U' D R' D R u // YG
U' R U' R' u' // OB
(x2' y) U2 F R' F' R u // YB / YO
// 3x3x3
(x2' y') F2 3r D2 x' D // cross
y' (U' R U R')3 // GO pair
y' U2 D R U' R' D' // GR pair
y2' U R' U' R // RB pair
y' U2 R' U' R U' R' U R // OB pair
U2' F R U' R' U' R U R' F' // OLL
u2 r2 U2 2R2 U2 r2 u2 // permutation parity
U2 y R2 U R' U' y (R U R' U')2 R U R' F U' F2 // PLL
View at alg.garron.us

[B]Step	Time	STM	stps	ETM	etps[/B]
[COLOR="red"]Total	47.11	181	3.84	224	4.75[/COLOR]

1st 2C	3.67	16	4.36	21	5.72	
Centres	8.84	31	3.51	40	4.52	
Edges	20.03	76	3.79	90	4.49
[COLOR="blue"]Redux	28.87	107	3.71	130	4.50[/COLOR]

Cross+1	5.24	17	3.24	21	4.01
F2L	9.53	35	3.67	47	4.93
LL	8.71	39	4.48	47	5.40
[COLOR="blue"]3x3x3	18.24	74	4.06	94	5.15[/COLOR]

[B][SIZE="4"]%[/SIZE]
Step		Time	STM	ETM[/B]
1st 2C/Centres	42%	52%	53%
Centres/Redux	13%	15%	16%
Edges/Redux	69%	71%	69%
[COLOR="blue"]Redux/Total	61%	59%	58%[/COLOR]

Cross+1/F2L	55%	49%	45%
F2L/3x3x3	52%	47%	50%
[COLOR="blue"]3x3x3/Total	39%	41%	42%[/COLOR]

Spoiler: View as executed

L F' u r2 u R' L' u2 r D R U B' r2 R u U' f' r' R B' f' F' r2 B' u f u2 U D r R2 D' U2 r2 U' u2 f R2 L2

x' // inspection
// centres
U2 r' U' r // green
z z U' r' F r y R' u u u' U2 r U' U' r' // blue
z' D D r' r3 U' (r' l') // red
U' U' l' U l // orange
U' D D r2 U' U' r2' // white / yellow
// edges
u U z2' U' L' U' L U' y' R' U R // WO
U' (x2' y) U U' y L' U L // RB
U (x2' y) U U R U' R' u' // WR
y R U' R' u // WG
U y' R U' R' u' // YR
y U y D2 D' f' f F' R' F R u' // WB
U' R R' D' f' 2F R' F R u // GO
U D2 F' R' F R u' // GR
U' D2 D' R' D R u // YG
U' R U' R' u' // OB
(x2' y) U U R R' F R' F' R u // YB / YO
// 3x3x3
(x2' y') F2 3r D D x' D // cross
U y' U' (U' R U R')3 // GO pair
y' U y' y U D R U' R' D' // GR pair
y' y' U R' U' R // RB pair
U y' U R' U' R U' R' U R // OB pair
U' U' U' U F R U' U' U R' U' R U R' F' // OLL
U U U U u2 r2 U2 l2 3l2' U U r2 u2 // permutation parity
U U y R2 U R' U' y (R U R' U')2 R U R' F U' F F // PLL
View at alg.garron.us

Spoiler: Statistics

Average (3/3)						
						
[B]Step	Time	STM	stps	ETM	etps[/b]
[COLOR="red"]Total	45.91	174.67	3.80	210.00	4.57[/COLOR]

1st 2C	2.44	10.33	4.24	13.33	5.47
[COLOR="blue"]Redux	29.55	102.00	3.45	121.67	4.12[/COLOR]

LL	9.72	41.67	4.29	47.33	4.87
[COLOR="blue"]3x3x3	16.36	72.67	4.44	88.33	5.40[/COLOR]

[B][SIZE="4"]%[/SIZE]
Step		Time	STM	ETM[/B]
Step 1/Redux	8%	10%	11%		
[COLOR="blue"]Redux/Total	64%	58%	58%[/COLOR]

LL/3x3		59%	57%	54%
[COLOR="blue"]3x3x3/Total	36%	42%	42%[/COLOR]

 

[Specs112]

Brest do you have a fan club and can I join it

 

[jokeryumyum]

im your fan...★

 

[stevecho816]

Hoya method is very interesting. Can anyone do a example solve?

 

[uberCuber]

Hoya method is very interesting. Can anyone do a example solve?

I'm pretty sure that's what the OP just did.

Anyway, based on Brest's reconstruction, it had some awful movecount (and yes, I'm aware that his solve had 'double parity').

@OP: When in doubt, assume your "new" method has already been tried before. Because I've personally done that way before, and I'm guessing quite a few others have as well.

 

[Robert-Y]

Hoya method sounds interesting but it seems to me that you're not given "enough" freedom to solve the 3 cross edges even though you're free to mess around 2 centres. With the Yau method, the 3 cross edges doesn't seem to restrict cubers that much in finishing the centres. But then again I haven't tried the Hoya method that much.

EDIT: This isn't enough evidence I know, but look at steps 2-4 of Hoya redux and Yau redux of his solves:

Hoya: 18+36+12=66
Yau: 14+27+8=49

 

[Kirjava]

Yeah, you gain no advantage from doing an extra two centres. You're breaking up the fast centres step and adding restrictions.