Paranormal Events

samehsameh said:
When you say "there is no ..." you make it seem as if its fact when its just what you believe.
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Yeah, he was a bit definitive with that statement... he should have said something like "There has never in the history of the human race been any strong evidence to support the existence of..."

Shame on you Drewsopchak for not being open to the idea that any day now everything we know about reality and the universe could turn out to be completely false.

... any day now.
 
drewsopchak said:
There's likely aliens because of the billions of solar systems in the billions of galaxies. However, there is no god, ghost, magic, near death bull ****, miracles or anything of the sort; there is no supernatural dimension.
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dimethyltryptamine#Conjecture

"Dr. Rick Strassman, while conducting DMT research in the 1990s at the University of New Mexico, advanced the controversial hypothesis that a massive release of DMT from the pineal gland prior to death or near death was the cause of the near death experience (NDE) phenomenon. Several of his test subjects reported NDE-like audio or visual hallucinations. His explanation for this was the possible lack of panic involved in the clinical setting and possible dosage differences between those administered and those encountered in actual NDE cases. Several subjects also reported contact with 'other beings', alien like, insectoid or reptilian in nature, in highly advanced technological environments"
 
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Godmil said:
Yeah, he was a bit definitive with that statement... he should have said something like "There has never in the history of the human race been any strong evidence to support the existence of..."

Shame on you Drewsopchak for not being open to the idea that any day now everything we know about reality and the universe could turn out to be completely false.

... any day now.
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My sarcasm detector broke the other day but i have a feeling it would be going of the scale right now. I somewhat agree with the stuff hes said but he doesnt know it to be true, he believes it to be true. Things like what he listed that are either on or beyond the edge of fictional are almost certainly not true but the onus is not on disbelievers to disprove but for believers to prove. Just because it hasnt been explained or wont be explained tomorrow doesnt mean it wont be explained ever. Science doesnt understand the very beginings of life but you believe that at some point they will in the same way some people believe they will eventually explain the paranormal.
 
Cool Frog said:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dimethyltryptamine#Conjecture

"Dr. Rick Strassman, while conducting DMT research in the 1990s at the University of New Mexico, advanced the controversial hypothesis that a massive release of DMT from the pineal gland prior to death or near death was the cause of the near death experience (NDE) phenomenon. Several of his test subjects reported NDE-like audio or visual hallucinations. His explanation for this was the possible lack of panic involved in the clinical setting and possible dosage differences between those administered and those encountered in actual NDE cases. Several subjects also reported contact with 'other beings', alien like, insectoid or reptilian in nature, in highly advanced technological environments"
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Yeah exactly.... Near death experiences are hallucinogenic.
 
drewsopchak said:
By near death bull I meant the way people somehow use them to justify theism.
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Like when some one claims that god spoke to them when they nearly died AND then claim that a god does exist.

rubikmaster said:
Seriously,what the heck is this thread turning into?I didn't make it so that all you do is just argue about stuff.I would really like some to hear some paranormal experiences.
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Well when you ask something that might relate to religion or the question "Does god exist" you will have alot of arguements.
 
drewsopchak said:
There's likely aliens because of the billions of solar systems in the billions of galaxies. However, there is no god, ghost, magic, near death bull ****, miracles or anything of the sort; there is no supernatural dimension.
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That's a bold statement.

Now the stories I have are all ghost based as I have personally never witnessed any "alien" activity.

First I'll give some background about my school. It was built fairly recently (a little over 12 years ago) and outside of town in an area which was used by ranchers in the 1800s. Records show that the school covers parts of 3 different ranches, each with a private family cemetery.

The first story I will tell is the oldest and most popular told by janitors, teachers, students, and even construction workers (I'll start with the construction workers since they were the first witnesses). While the school was being built the workers were working late night in order to meet the deadline and a few were checking the lockers upstairs which had just been installed to make sure that everything had gone right. While walking down the halls they began hearing tapping on the lockers first from down the hallway but slowly approaching. As the sound got closer they realized that it was a little boy and called out that he needed to come over to them because they were in a construction zone.But the boy ignored them and ran to a room.When the workers checked the room it was empty much to their surprise. This continued to happen until the school was open. The next story I heard was that a girl was staying late to work on the yearbook and the 2nd floor janitor passed by to say that he was leaving told her to close the door on her way out. An hour or so later she began hearing tapping on the lockers, and seeing that she was the last person in the building she was obviously scared.She decided to leave and as she walked out she heard the tapping from around the corner and she went the other way. As she walked into the main hallway she saw that the source of the tapping was a little boy, but something was strange. She claims that he was dressed in long outdated clothes and was holding a balloon that is not typical of modern balloons(it was perfectly round). Finding this strange she ran downstairs,and got out of the school.
Now there are other stories of people on the second floor hearing a crying child late at night, and the janitors tend to clean the second floor first so that they aren't there at night. I usually wouldn't be one to believe this stuff but I have seen at least one anomaly, the fact that even though the janitors turn off the stairwell lights for the weekend, they are always on when we pass by on the nights of the weekend.
That is just one of three prominent ghost rumors on our school, this one being the most commonly witnessed.

I can tell the other two if anyone wants them but at this point they are pretty outlandish (even though I think that's the point).
 
anyway, all religions use near death experiences to prove that their prophet was a virgin (As if women are the worst) or that god hates contraception, or that a talking snake made people evil, so Yahweh got a messianic Jew Crucified or some dogma. It's truly annoying. That and the god of the gaps argument.
 
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insane569 said:
If it happened here over a couple of years then it can POSSIBLY happen some where else. The universe isn't a 5 year old child.
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This reminded me of a section in Carl Sagan's seminal TV show Cosmos (which I only saw for the first time a couple of months back - still well worth watching). In it he suggested that with the billions of years it took to form the stars and planets of our solar system, then the billions of years for life to evolve from a single cell to intelligent species like us... and since the universe is less than 14 billion years old, then you could think, if there are other forms of intelligent life, that we could be one of the first.
 
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