Mathematics Thread

What is the hardest math you learned?

  • Calculus (specify in comments)

    Votes: 69 35.0%
  • Trigonometry

    Votes: 27 13.7%
  • (Enriched) Geometry

    Votes: 18 9.1%
  • Equations (specify)

    Votes: 7 3.6%
  • Graphing Equations (specify)

    Votes: 5 2.5%
  • Basic Algebra (specify)

    Votes: 9 4.6%
  • I can do better!

    Votes: 49 24.9%
  • What kind of math is that?!

    Votes: 13 6.6%

  • Total voters
    197
In our school system, we have either Pre-Algebra 7th, Algebra 8th, Geometry 9th, Algebra II 10th, and so on. You could also have Pre-Algebra in both 7th and 8th, Algebra I in 9th, and so on. There's also Algebra in 7th, Geometry in 8th, and so on. The most advanced kids at my school are in Geometry as 6th graders, so Algebra II in 7th, Pre-Calculus in 8th and so on.

Cool thanks! I've always wondered that...
 
It means congruence in some contexts. In my modern algebra class that I am currently in, congruence occurs when you have two numbers a and b and they differ by a multiple of m. (a-b=mk for some k that is an integer). We write a (congruent or triple equal sign) b mod m. We use this when we are telling time or doing stuff with clocks. When we want to know what time it will be in 25 hours, we will just add 1 hour to the current time and then be done. Our time system is in modulo 12.

if you want more info: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Modular_arithmetic


EDIT: should have quoted last post, oh well
 
I can only understand half the words.

yup me too

I'm no math genius, but I'm semi-decent at it. I'm in 8th, and I'm currently in geometry.
In 6th I took what they call "pre-algebra A", but then that summer I took a "challenge test" which allowed me to skip "pre-algebra B", and so in 7th grade I took Algebra.
Next year, I'll take Algebra 2/Trig, then pre-calc or "math analysis", then calc, then maybe stats or something.
In our middle school, we have 3 different "tracks". In 6th grade, there are only two: normal and advanced. I was in normal.
In 7th grade the people who failed in normal in 6th grade get put into "Math 7 skills". Normal people continue in normal unless they pass the "challenge test" like me, which would put them to advanced.
From geometry, there are 3 different courses. I you get D or F (overall grade) then you get put into geometry again (back onto normal track). If you get B or lower, you get into Algebra 2. B or higher, Algebra 2/trig. (so many complications...)
Then after algebra 2 or algebra 2/trig, you can either go to "math analysis" or pre-calc. Apparently math analysis is a fancy word for the first half of pre-calc (slower pace).
Then after math analysis you can go to precalc or if you want you can skip to calc. From precalc you can either go to calc or AP stats. There are 2 calc classes : AB and BC.
Apparently they just go at different paces.

phew...
why do math courses/tracks have to be so complicated...
 
I have a calculator-inspired pattern puzzle.

I have a calculator app for my iPad, and it likes to return nonsensical answers for a syntax error expression.

If I enter the term sqrt(7+)1, it outputs the number 8. (Everyone should already know that this is a syntax error)

The sequence of "sqrt(7+)n", for n=0,1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9,10 is:
0, 8, 11.314, 13.856, 16, 17.889, 19.596, 21.166, 22.627, 24, 25.298

Find the function y(n) which sqrt(7+)n corresponds to.

Second question (don't read this question if you haven't solved the first one, even though it's fairly easy after solving the first one):
Assume that the pattern from "sqrt(7+)n" depends on the number 7. Here's the sequence from sqrt(4+)n for n=0,1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9,10:
0, 5, 7.072, 8.660, 10, 11.180, 12.247, 13.229, 14.142, 15, 15.811

Find the function y(n,x) which sqrt(x+)n corresponds to.

If you have the answer, put it in a spoiler.

bump, got buried by Ian's "riddle"
 
Am I allowed to ask homework questions in here?
"Malik wants to skateboard over to visit his friend Gord who lives six blocks away. Gord's house is two blocks west and four blocks north of Malik's house. Each time Malik goes over, he likes to take a different route. How many different routes are there for Malik if he only travels west or north?" - Data management textbook page 246.
I know the answer.
6!/(4!2!)=15 but why must I divide by (4!) and (2!)?

6!/(4!2!)=6C2=6C4
He travels 6 blocks in total, and he chooses 2 spots where he goes one block west, or you can think of it as he chooses 4 spots where he goes one block north. The solution follows the same pattern as the other questions in that section (I used the same textbook for that course :p). Check out question 7 on page 296 for a laugh.

have a calculator-inspired pattern puzzle.

I have a calculator app for my iPad, and it likes to return nonsensical answers for a syntax error expression.

If I enter the term sqrt(7+)1, it outputs the number 8. (Everyone should already know that this is a syntax error)

The sequence of "sqrt(7+)n", for n=0,1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9,10 is:
0, 8, 11.314, 13.856, 16, 17.889, 19.596, 21.166, 22.627, 24, 25.298

Find the function y(n) which sqrt(7+)n corresponds to.

Second question (don't read this question if you haven't solved the first one, even though it's fairly easy after solving the first one):
Assume that the pattern from "sqrt(7+)n" depends on the number 7. Here's the sequence from sqrt(4+)n for n=0,1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9,10:
0, 5, 7.072, 8.660, 10, 11.180, 12.247, 13.229, 14.142, 15, 15.811

Find the function y(n,x) which sqrt(x+)n corresponds to.

If you have the answer, put it in a spoiler.

y(n)=8*sqrt(n)

y(n,x)=(x+1)*sqrt(n)

That was fun. :)
 
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Ok, can someone explain to me why the "dx" at the end of integrals are needed? I can integrate easily enough, but I could never quite understand why the "dx" always needed to be at the end, and now that we're starting to mess around with the dx, I figured it would be a good time to understand it better.
 
Basically it tells you what your integrating with respect to. If you were given \( y=x \) and told to differentiate it you might say it equals 1 but w.r.t. what? You should write \( dy/dx=1 \) if you differentiated w.r.t. \( x \) This forms one of the simplest differential equation \( dy/dx=1 \) which is equivalent to \( \int dy = \int dx \) so you integrate the LHS w.r.t. \( y \) and the RHS w.r.t. \( x \) and obviously end up with \( y=x+c_1 \). That was easy, now say your differential equation is \( dy/dx=x^2+3x+2 \) this is equivalent to \( \int dy = \int (x^2 +3x + 2)dx \) Evaluating just the LHS you end up with questions like your probably given i.e. \( y=\int (x^2+3x+2) dx \) so, basically the \( dx \) comes from the differential equation of the function you find by evaluating the integral given and could be anything i.e. \( dt \) is another common one if your function is a variable of time.
 
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next problem. Find the area between \( y=\frac{1}{x^4+4x^2+3} \) and \( y=0 \). Solutions please, dont just wolfram it.

Hint
evaulate \( \int_{-\infty}^{\infty} \! \frac{\mathrm{d} x}{x^4+4x^2+3}. \)
 
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can someone explain what the triple equal sign means

Identical. Random example (I think this is what it's used for, not completely sure though):

\( \frac{x}{x}=1 \), but \( \frac{x}{x} \) is not \( \equiv1 \) because \( \frac{0}{0}\neq1 \)

random calculus just for fun:

\( \frac{sin(x)}{2^{xy}}=x+y \)
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\( \frac{d}{dx}(\frac{sin(x)}{2^{xy}})=\frac{d}{dx}(x+y) \)

\( \frac{d}{dx}(x+y)=1+\frac{dy}{dx} \)

\( a=\frac{b}{c} \)

\( b=sin(x) \)

\( c=2^{xy} \)

\( \frac{da}{dx}=\frac{c\frac{db}{dx}-b\frac{dc}{dx}}{c^{2}} \)

\( \frac{db}{dx}=cos(x) \)

\( c=2^d \)

\( d=xy \)

\( \frac{dc}{dx}=\frac{dc}{dd}\frac{dd}{dx} \)

\( \frac{dc}{dd}=2^{d}ln(2)=2^{xy}ln(2) \)

\( \frac{dd}{dx}=y\frac{d}{dx}(x)+x\frac{d}{dx}(y)=y+x\frac{dy}{dx} \)

\( \frac{dc}{dx}=2^{xy}ln(2)(y+x\frac{dy}{dx})=2^{xy}yln(2)+2^{xy}xln(2)\frac{dy}{dx} \)

\( c\frac{db}{dx}=2^{xy}cos(x) \)

\( b\frac{dc}{dx}=sin(x)(2^{xy}yln(2)+2^{xy}xln(2)\frac{dy}{dx})=2^{xy}ysin(x)ln(2)+2^{xy}xsin(x)ln(2)\frac{dy}{dx} \)

\( c^{2}=2^{2xy} \)

\( \frac{c\frac{db}{dx}-b\frac{dc}{dx}}{c^{2}}=\frac{2^{xy}cos(x)-2^{xy}ysin(x)ln(2)-2^{xy}xsin(x)ln(2)\frac{dy}{dx}}{2^{2xy}} \)

\( \frac{2^{xy}cos(x)-2^{xy}ysin(x)ln(2)-2^{xy}xsin(x)ln(2)\frac{dy}{dx}}{2^{2xy}}=1+\frac{dy}{dx} \)

\( 2^{xy}cos(x)-2^{xy}ysin(x)ln(2)-2^{xy}xsin(x)ln(2)\frac{dy}{dx}=2^{2xy}+2^{2xy}\frac{dy}{dx} \)

\( 2^{xy}cos(x)-2^{xy}ysin(x)ln(2)-2^{2xy}=\frac{dy}{dx}(2^{2xy}+2^{xy}xsin(x)ln(2)) \)

\( \frac{dy}{dx}=\frac{2^{xy}cos(x)-2^{xy}ysin(x)ln(2)-2^{2xy}}{2^{2xy}+2^{xy}xsin(x)ln(2)} \)

\( \frac{dy}{dx}=\frac{cos(x)-ysin(x)ln(2)-2^{xy}}{2^{xy}+xsin(x)ln(2)} \)
\( \frac{dy}{dx}=-\frac{ysin(x)ln(2)+2^{xy}-cos(x)}{2^{xy}+xsin(x)ln(2)} \)

Hopefully that's right.
 
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Very nice solution. I thought i preferred the complex analytic solution only because its much shorter than yours but yours can be understood by anyone who's done calculus which i guess is better.

Also what are you using to lay that out, LaTeX?
 
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well at least i'm not being ignored anymore... has anyone here gone to IMO?

My middle school did the AMC competitions that led to the IMO, but I don't think my high school does, so I pretty much have no chance of going, unless I want to take the AMC outside of school, and set it up myself somehow. But I'm assuming you have a chance of being able to go, so good luck :p
 
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