Waffle's Roux Tutorial

PandaCuber · Jan 13, 2012

Sarahjdes said:
Yes, this is what I usually do. But I'm trying to get to bloc building without continuously inserting pairs into slots.

But I see that you are sub-19 using the inserting thing, so I guess it's an okay way to do it!

Is everyone else doing it this way? Is there anyone that builds the first block not correctly positionned, and then rotates the L or R face to get in it's "canonical position"?

Well I try not too on the first block. I do on the second block for that one.
But i know waffle does block build on the second block which i find extremely hard to do.

Everyone block builds differently, but I kinda do it like CFOP. Creating pairs and inserting them. But creating pairs as efficient as possible.

Pixel 6 · Jan 28, 2012

Hey, I made a 5 part Roux video tutorial and am looking for feedback on it.

My idea was to take parts from an unstickered cube, and a stickered cube to make it easier for new people to track pieces. For first block, only those 6 pieces are on the cube.... The rest are blank. I then just added the stickered pieces for the next step and continued the tutorial so on so forth.

Any thoughts on my vids?

Rouxtorial

My current iitimer averages right now are:
ao5 - 21.xx
ao12 - 22.xx
ao100 24.xx
pb 12.73

I'm happy with the first 3 steps, but my mooing sucks. First block varies, but second block is usually done by 10 seconds. Cmll done at an average elapsed 13-15 seconds. LSE is like another 5-10 seconds... My LSE needs work, but I'm not sure what to do in this area to improve. Better technique/finger tricks? I can see what to do pretty quickly, it's just waiting for my fingers to catch up...

I'm getting sub 20 solves about once every 7-10 solves... Other than that I'm consistently in the low 20s. 30's require pretty bad fails.

Anyhow, I do want to develop my tutorial on my site so any advice is appreciated. No better way to learn, than to teach.

- Pixel -

brunosouz · Feb 12, 2012

I'm using Roux at a long time, since January of last year, and I can get 20~30s with this method(Of all the methods, it's the best one for me).

I had to make a little break at cubing, so when I came back to it, improved a little..

Is it so hard to improve look-ahead at Roux? Cause I'm trying a lot and it's a little difficult for me. So.. does someone have a hint for me?

Thanks and sorry for my bad english, it's not my native language =X

5BLD · Feb 12, 2012

brunosouz said:
I'm using Roux at a long time, since January of last year, and I can get 20~30s with this method(Of all the methods, it's the best one for me).

I had to make a little break at cubing, so when I came back to it, improved a little..

Is it so hard to improve look-ahead at Roux? Cause I'm trying a lot and it's a little difficult for me. So.. does someone have a hint for me?

Thanks and sorry for my bad english, it's not my native language =X

It's not hard to improve look-ahead with Roux. It is hard to look ahead with Roux.

I practice look-ahead by first planning the first block in inspection. To start with give yourself as much inspection as you like, so you can solve the block blindfolded. Yes go use the blindfold a couple times if you're not confident yet.

Next, here's the 'test' that you're looking ahead, and trains it. Immediately on the last 2 or so moves of the first block shut your eyes. Now solve the first square of the second block without looking. Do this a couple times, then move on the doing the last pair without looking etc...

PandaCuber · Feb 12, 2012

brunosouz said:
I'm using Roux at a long time, since January of last year, and I can get 20~30s with this method(Of all the methods, it's the best one for me).

I had to make a little break at cubing, so when I came back to it, improved a little..

Is it so hard to improve look-ahead at Roux? Cause I'm trying a lot and it's a little difficult for me. So.. does someone have a hint for me?

Thanks and sorry for my bad english, it's not my native language =X

What is your native language? If its spanish, maybe I could help.

For lookahead, one big thing is turning slow. If you turn too fast, you wont be able to find next pieces.
Also when making blocks, look for next block. EX: When inserting corner-edge pair, look for next corner or even both,

brunosouz · Feb 13, 2012

Yeah, I'm trying this, I just don't know if it's helping, cause it's still difficult to track pieces. I can't stay looking at them.

My native language is portuguese, I can speak.. intermediate english I think, but with some mistakes

And 5BLD, I'll give a try to solve the blocks blindfolded, then I'll work in my recognition, but the blocks first cause, I take, more or less, 20 seconds for them and 8~10 seconds for the Corner Orientation and LSE.

Thanks for the quick answer =)

PandaCuber · Feb 13, 2012

I am stuck at a plateau. Help?

My times.(Rounded up)
~Avg: 17

F2B: 8
CMLL(Full): 2
LSE: 4

The times above were done pre-inspected.

F2B + CMLL = 11
CMLL + LSE = 6.5

CMLL Without any inspection: Sub 3.

Any tips would be appreciated.

waffle=ijm · Feb 13, 2012

work on blocks and lse. more look ahead too.

Brest · Feb 13, 2012

PandaCuber said:
I am stuck at a plateau. Help?

My times.(Rounded up)
~Avg: 17

F2B: 8
CMLL(Full): 2
LSE: 4

The times above were done pre-inspected.

F2B + CMLL = 11
CMLL + LSE = 6.5

CMLL Without any inspection: Sub 3.

Any tips would be appreciated.

[youtubehd]4x7R_RopjPQ[/youtubehd]

L U2 L2 U2 L2 D' L2 B' F' D B2 L' R' F2 L' U' B2 L' R2

y' x' // inspection
L' U' L D' // LB block
U' M' U2 L' U L // LF pair
U' R2' U2' R' U R U2' r' U' r // RB block
U (R U R' U')2 R U R' // RF pair
U F U' L' U R2 U' r B R2' U' x' // CMLL
M3' U2 M' U' M2' U' // UL/UR
M' r' R U2 r' R U2 M' // L3E
alg.garron

Code:

Step	time	STM	stps	ETM	etps
[COLOR="red"]Total	16.33	55	3.37	63	3.86[/COLOR]
					
Lblock	2.94	10	3.40	10	3.40
Rblock	5.41	22	4.07	24	4.44
[COLOR="blue"]F2B	8.35	32	3.83	34	4.07[/COLOR]
					
CMLL	3.37	11	3.26	12	3.56
LSE	4.61	12	2.88	17	3.63
[COLOR="blue"]L10P	7.98	23	2.88	29	3.63[/COLOR]

5BLD · Feb 13, 2012

What's my weakness do you think guys? I'm obviously going to be biased when analysing my own solves...

PandaCuber · Feb 13, 2012

Brest said:
[youtubehd]4x7R_RopjPQ[/youtubehd]L U2 L2 U2 L2 D' L2 B' F' D B2 L' R' F2 L' U' B2 L' R2

y' x' // inspection
L' U' L D' // LB block
U' M' U2 L' U L // LF pair
U' R2' U2' R' U R U2' r' U' r // RB block
U (R U R' U')2 R U R' // RF pair
U F U' L' U R2 U' r B R2' U' x' // CMLL
M3' U2 M' U' M2' U' // UL/UR
M' r' R U2 r' R U2 M' // L3E
alg.garron

Code:

Step time STM stps ETM etps [COLOR="red"]Total 16.33 55 3.37 63 3.86[/COLOR] Lblock 2.94 10 3.40 10 3.40 Rblock 5.41 22 4.07 24 4.44 [COLOR="blue"]F2B 8.35 32 3.83 34 4.07[/COLOR] CMLL 3.37 11 3.26 12 3.56 LSE 4.61 12 2.88 17 3.63 [COLOR="blue"]L10P 7.98 23 2.88 29 3.63[/COLOR]

Oh wow thanks brest.

Looks like I gotta work on my second block.
Then maybe improve my tps on CMLL and LSE to 4.

Jaycee · Feb 17, 2012

R2 D2 F2 R2 D2 L F2 U2 L' D2 R D R2 B D B2 U2 L2 D' F' L'

z'
r' U L' F2 L U D F D' L'
r' U' R' U2 R U R U2 R U2 R' U' r U R'
F R U' R' U' R U R' F'
U M' U M U' M' U' M' U' M' U2 M U M2' U M' U2 M'

Does this look good (aside from the LSE :fp) for a Roux noob? I decided to try again when I realized I might do better with white on L than D.

PandaCuber · Feb 17, 2012

Jaycee said:
R2 D2 F2 R2 D2 L F2 U2 L' D2 R D R2 B D B2 U2 L2 D' F' L'

z'
r' U L' F2 L U D F D' L'
r' U' R' U2 R U R U2 R U2 R' U' r U R'
F R U' R' U' R U R' F'
U M' U M U' M' U' M' U' M' U2 M U M2' U M' U2 M'

Does this look good (aside from the LSE :fp) for a Roux noob? I decided to try again when I realized I might do better with white on L than D.

Better than my solves...

Cheese11 · Feb 25, 2012

Jaycee said:
R2 D2 F2 R2 D2 L F2 U2 L' D2 R D R2 B D B2 U2 L2 D' F' L'

z'
r' U L' F2 L U D F D' L'
r' U' R' U2 R U R U2 R U2 R' U' r U R'
F R U' R' U' R U R' F'
U M' U M U' M' U' M' U' M' U2 M U M2' U M' U2 M'

Does this look good (aside from the LSE :fp) for a Roux noob? I decided to try again when I realized I might do better with white on L than D.

I got:

x' y
D' U' R2 L U' L' F' U r' U' M' L' U L
U' R' U R U M2 U' r U' R U r' U' r U M U' M' r U r'
U R U R' U R U2 R' U2 R U R' F' R U R' U' R' F R2 U' R'
M U2 M U' M' U2 M' U2 M U2 M2 U M2 U2

I get a high five for my ridiculous move count

PandaCuber · Feb 25, 2012

My turn

x2 y U R' U2 B2
U R2 U2 R' U F'
M U' M' U2 r' U R' U2 R2
U M U' M' U2 R' U R
U R U' L' U R' U' L
M U' M' U M' U2 M' U M'
U M' U2 M' U M2 U u2 M' u2 M

alg.garron

I think im doing better at making my solve more efficient.

Escher · Feb 25, 2012

Jaycee said:
R2 D2 F2 R2 D2 L F2 U2 L' D2 R D R2 B D B2 U2 L2 D' F' L'

Was bored so I had a go:

x2 U2 R U R2 y U' R' U B2 (8)
r2 R U R U R2 r' U2 R' U R (19)
U' R' U L' U2 R U' R' U2 R L (30)
M U' M U M' U2 M U2 M U M' U2 M' U2 (44)

Cool Frog · Feb 26, 2012

So, I realize that my right block sucks hardcore. (Usually twice as slow as my first block)
I also know that my first block isn't as efficient as it could be.
I don't really know how not to be CN since I rely quite a bit on it and spend most of the inspection trying to find something decent

THERE IS TOO MANY DAMN BLOCKS!!!!ONE!!!

How to practice Right block?
How to Practice left block?

I will deal with my poopish LSE later.

(Ohya I am like 16-23 times(I once got a avg of 5 that was 16 second with a Standard deviation of 3.85))

PandaCuber · Feb 26, 2012

Cool Frog said:
How to practice Right block?
How to Practice left block?

Your question is, how to practice blocks?

Left block(First block) - Since youre CN, this should be easier and more efficient than me

Youre looking for Corner edge pair, anything works. Square should be easy enough to find. practice that blindfold. And look for efficient pairs and efficient inserts.
Then Second block it all about speed.(for me)
I try to speed up cause there are more moves and I gotta try to do it in the same amount of time as FB.

I practice by solving slow and trying to find new efficient moves. Also looking for finger tricks. Then the occasional blindfold Block.

mynameiswillem · Jun 1, 2012

A few Roux questions

I am starting to learn Roux to try to get sub-20. I only average around 22 with CFOP. So, I was wondering what CMLL and COLL actually stands for. I think I'm going to learn CMLL.

Another question I have is why do some Roux solvers solve the UL and UR edges then cycle the M layer edges rather than solving the DF and DB and then doing a simple U layer edge cycle?

And do any Roux solvers solve their two 1x2x3 blocks with different colors? I can't really think of a good way to explain what I'm thinking. I think that might help with C*LL recognition.

Noahaha · Jun 1, 2012

COLL= corners of last layer
CMLL= corners of last layer (M-slice)

COLL only affects corners and edge permutation while CMLL uses shorter algs but affects the M-slice, so its better if you're using roux.

People solve UF UR because it's faster.

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