NaeosPsy
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Meh, sub-30 is easy, if you practice. If you do 1 cube in a day, you will need a really long time.
In general is sub 30 possible?
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Learning + Practice + Learning + Practice == Progress
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That was when I didn't know any other method exsisted. I just gogo practiced hardcore, and got a fair amount of sub 20's.
BlueDevil
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OP: what cube do you use, and what methods?
Using a bad cube, such as a Rubik's brand can inhibit your ability to perform fingertricks which can affect your time.
If you really want to reach sub-30, just practice a lot - not just whole solves but also your PLLs and fingertricks.
You will eventually reach sub-30
Using a bad cube, such as a Rubik's brand can inhibit your ability to perform fingertricks which can affect your time.
If you really want to reach sub-30, just practice a lot - not just whole solves but also your PLLs and fingertricks.
You will eventually reach sub-30
rock1313
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I think that everyone over the age of 12 can be sub 30(except for people with disabilities or injuries). All you need is determination and practice with the CFOP method. If someone doesn't like to practice then they don't have determination.
Yuxuibbs
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I use my rubik's brand a lot and I get the same exact times on my rubik's as my zhanchi and guhong.
The biggest barrier is usually F2L.
Zarxrax
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Practice is all that is needed. It took me several months just to get sub 60, and at that time I wondered if I would ever reach sub 30. After a year, I think I was maybe barely sub-40, if that. Sub 30 probably took me almost 2 years. I'm currently on my way to sub 20.
Everyone says "practice, practice", and you will get there. That's very true. But I think that some people may not understand the intense amount of practice that is actually required. We aren't talking 10 or 15 minutes a day here. Getting to sub-30 probably requires hundreds of cumulative hours of practice.
Everyone says "practice, practice", and you will get there. That's very true. But I think that some people may not understand the intense amount of practice that is actually required. We aren't talking 10 or 15 minutes a day here. Getting to sub-30 probably requires hundreds of cumulative hours of practice.
Carson
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Be careful using the Rubik's brand. Cubes that stiff promote bad turning habits that have a tendency to carry over when using an "appropriate" cube. Trust me, I have been trying to break some of those habits for years.
bigbee99
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I believe that anyone who wants to, can achieve sub-30
DaveyCow
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I use CFOP 4LLL (tho I know 2/3 PLL's just not fast with them yet so don't use them when timing, just practise atm). I use Dayan 4 and 5.
It hurts so much to use a storebought!!!!!!!!!
kewlies thx I will!
TiLiMayor
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I think everyone can be sub-20, it all depends on how much they practice..
DaveyCow
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hey yeah this is great to hear.... just because I'm in the same bboat
but yeah I realized that "practice" in this case means a TONNNNNNNNNNNNN of practicing....good thing is fun... that helps the motivation
hmmm yeah there seems to be a debate over whether noobs should use storebought or speedcubes because starting with a sppedcube doesnt help with lookahead blah... but thats good to hear you say that storebought can induce bad turning habits. I think storebought are good to start off with coz lookahead and understanding how thing work etc... but then I gues speedcube should be introduced "at the right time" so as to stop bad ha bits and to promote fingertrickery. hmmm offtopic when do you think a good time would then be to switch to a speedcube? maybe when one switched from beginner's method to 4look ?
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hcfong
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Just my experience, but I found it very helpful to me to force myself to use a newly learned PLL whenever I come across one, instead resorting to the familiar and comfortable 2 look PLL. Not just in casual solves, but especially in timed solves and even during competitions. It's when you practice these solves under pressure, you learn them the fastest. You learn to recognise the distinguishing patterns of each PLL and how to adjust the U layer in order to perform these. Yes, you're times will slow down, but with the times you're having now (no disrespect, I'm just as slow as you, maybe a few seconds faster) you're not going to make it past the first round in most competitions, so the times you set aren't really important. It's more important that you make full use of what you know and practice it as much as you can. If you keep avoiding using newly learned PLLs when the pressure is on, until you feel comfortable enough to use them in those circumstances, you will only slow down your progress. In my last competition, I had an R-perm which I've only learned a week earlier and had trouble performing it, because it uses my left hand. I could have gone for the 2 look PLL and do an A-perm and a U-perm and have a (for me) good time, but I wouldn't have learned anything. In this case, I forced myself to do the R-perm. I messed it up completely, ended up with a pretty much scrambled cube and had to start over again, ending up with a time of 1:59.75, while I could have had a sub-50 if I used the 2 look. But then, I would have missed an opportunity to practice it under pressure.
Also, learn to recognise the patterns for the 2-look PLLs, so you know when you can use them as 1 look PLL. Especially, learn to figure out how to adjust the U-layer for the E-perm so you end up with a solved cube, instead of having to do an H-perm afterwards. It takes some time to work it out, but you'll get there.
Hope this helps.
jskyler91
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Its not just about practice or total hours though, it is about how you practice and how often you practice. SOmeone who practices fro 2 hours every day can get sub 30 in a few months having only cubed a total of 60 hours while someone who only practices 3 minutes a day but has been cubing for years may not be as fast. You need to practice relatively consistently to achieve your goals in a timely manner. You also need to make sure that you practice smartly and never allow yourself to do bad habits simply because they are comfortable or easier such as looking at your f2l pieces as you insert them.
Kirjava
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lolz, you guys make me out to be a total bastard.
Dene
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Yea you pretty much are. Your contribution to this thread exemplified that. This is not the place to be anally pedantic about the wording provided by the OP when it was clear what he meant.
I should contribute to this thread myself though. The answer is "yes", anyone of "normal" functioning is capable of solving sub30 with the appropriate time put into it.
DaveyCow
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So on futher forethought and time, I think that there are intelligent people out there that are not able to make sub30 because of the way their brains work. Take me for example - I have my PhD in mathematics, so I'm not stupid, but I truely think that my brain thinks too slow to ever make sub30 (no improvement in 3 weeks despite tons of practise). Of course you guyz say sub30 possible for anyone... but you *are* sub30 (or close to it) so of course you think its possible. But dont forget slowpokes like me whose brain doesnt understand "fast" things.... discuss!
jskyler91
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What do you average now, how long have you been cubing, how many solves a day do you do, what is your current method and have you heard of the term looking ahead?
tx789
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yoou know sometimes you hit walls and don't improve for months
DaveyCow
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I ave 45. I do as many solves per day as I can, I use CFOP, and yes I try to lookahead as much as possible. My lookahead sux but my brain is slow and that is why i really think sub30 is not possible for some people... I look and see the colors but there is an amount of time between seeing the colors and doing what needs to be done... the time between these things cannot be helped... it is because my brain is slow and so cannot achieve sub30... in any case, i guess I am just trying to argue that sub30 is not possible for all people (even intelligent beings).
and i been cubing since March 2010.
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