Why I am now Color Netural

Kirjava said:
Feliks has been CN from the start. jskyler91 is just making stuff up.
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I thought he said that he had switched in his tutorials, but I guess I was wrong.

I hope everyone understands that I am not trying to be argumentative. I just want people to know that being color neutral is 100 percent possible even if you didn't start that way. For some reason people think that it is really difficult or that they will never be able to do it correctly and i am telling you that if you stick to it full heartedly it won't even take much more than a month and I can almost guarantee that by then end of 2 months you won't ever think of being color fixed again.
 
jskyler91 said:
I just want people to know that being color neutral is 100 percent possible even if you didn't start that way. For some reason people think that it is really difficult or that they will never be able to do it correctly and i am telling you that if you stick to it full heartedly it won't even take much more than a month and I can almost guarantee that by then end of 2 months you won't ever think of being color fixed again.
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Where is your evidence for this? I have never heard of someone switching to color neutral and being as fast as they were before. Lars was trying this a while back, but iirc he still had bias after a few months. If anyone has successfully converted(no bias) after they reached sub-20 I would be very interested to hear about their experience with it.
 
I was thinking even if Faz, Rowe, me, etc. claim that we are colour neutral, we cannot really prove this, but if we were all colour neutral from the beginning, I guess it would make sense.

Anthony said:
Does Rob stick to white cross now? I seem to remember him being CN and I definitely remember a video of him doing an orange cross avg12.
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No! I've never switched to a single colour before. I don't even know how this rumour started. The same goes for Morten and Breandan. Is there even any evidence to suggest that Morten is CN, and Breandan and I use white cross?
 
DavidWoner said:
Where is your evidence for this? I have never heard of someone switching to color neutral and being as fast as they were before. Lars was trying this a while back, but iirc he still had bias after a few months. If anyone has successfully converted(no bias) after they reached sub-20 I would be very interested to hear about their experience with it.
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I might try this, just for shits and giggles.
 
I did do it. I had an average of 50 under 20s and I switched color to "color neutral" and I had no issue being able to to start with different colored crosses.
 
This might not be a good comparison, but hey....

If you empty a big box of Lego (I know it has many more shapes, sizes and forms than a Rubik's Cube) and you have to find four 2x2 flat pieces, is it easier to find four white pieces or four pieces of any other fixed color?? I would say white as you know what you are looking for, instead of finding two blue pieces and then see the three yellow right next to each other and then looking for both blue and yellow to get to four pieces of either color in total.

I'm not fast and I'm not CN, but when I see an eazy cross on one of the other colors, I solve that. I still have problems when white is involved: If cross is blue and I have the W B O corner I sometimes spend useless seconds looking for the B O edge.

[PRO TIP] Don't lift the cube to see what the color of the cross is; look at the U centerpiece! Cross is the opposite[/PRO TIP]
 
the thing with the legos is that you know what you look for once you decide your cross, its not random f2l pair, they are the ones that fill the cross you chose. So you know what to look for once you pick your cross
 
jskyler91 said:
I thought he said that he had switched in his tutorials, but I guess I was wrong.

I hope everyone understands that I am not trying to be argumentative. I just want people to know that being color neutral is 100 percent possible even if you didn't start that way. For some reason people think that it is really difficult or that they will never be able to do it correctly and i am telling you that if you stick to it full heartedly it won't even take much more than a month and I can almost guarantee that by then end of 2 months you won't ever think of being color fixed again.
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I certainly don't think this is the case for the fastest cubers. Me, Breandan and Gabriel Dechichi (probably more) have all attempted to switch (and you can be certain of how hard we practice) and failed or given up. Maybe the 'slow-down' factor isn't that obvious for you but for a friend of mine who is around 25s who tried to switch it has damaged his times (he is still persevering) and it affected my recognition too. It could be that there is a soft-spot between learning/knowing the cases and having trained recognition (between 12-25) that is better for switching than others.

The main point I'm trying to get at is that the high cost of becoming colour neutral at my kind of speed (and many others, to be honest) is mostly not worth the uncertain reward of becoming faster... Eventually.

I totally agree that most people would be better off if they were.
 
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Escher said:
I certainly don't think this is the case for the fastest cubers. Me, Breandan and Gabriel Dechichi (probably more) have all attempted to switch (and you can be certain of how hard we practice) and failed or given up. Maybe the 'slow-down' factor isn't that obvious for you but for a friend of mine who is around 25s who tried to switch it has damaged his times (he is still persevering) and it affected my recognition too. It could be that there is a soft-spot between learning/knowing the cases and having trained recognition (between 12-25) that is better for switching than others.

The main point I'm trying to get at is that the high cost of becoming colour neutral at my kind of speed (and many others, to be honest) is mostly not worth the uncertain reward of becoming faster... Eventually.

I totally agree believe that most people would be better off if they were.
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I actually switched to being color neutral when I was averaging 25.xx and I was back to normal times within a week.
 
Hey guys. I'm relatively new to cubing (started a couple months ago) and I'm interested in this idea of color neutrality. Right now I average about 37 seconds with CFOP and a fixed white cross. I haven't learned full OLL yet and I also need to work on fingertricks.

My question is: would it be better to practice being color neutral now? Or should I wait until I get faster? Please explain why.

(as a side note, great thread! really informative, besides all the contradictions and stuff)
 
mucoromycotina said:
Hey guys. I'm relatively new to cubing (started a couple months ago) and I'm interested in this idea of color neutrality. Right now I average about 37 seconds with CFOP and a fixed white cross. I haven't learned full OLL yet and I also need to work on fingertricks.

My question is: would it be better to practice being color neutral now? Or should I wait until I get faster? Please explain why.

(as a side note, great thread! really informative, besides all the contradictions and stuff)
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Switch as soon as possible :)

The earlier the better - the less you've reinforced your white bias the easier to lose it.

You'll inevitably find your times are worse, and that previous F2L cases that were easy are a bit more difficult to recognise, but soon enough you'll overcome that hump. The true benefits show themselves when you learn to predict first pair, but there's no harm in practicing that early on too :)

Edit: Kir got ninja'd. Also your name is awesome :P
 
Kirjava said:
Feliks has been CN from the start. jskyler91 is just making stuff up.
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I feel like you or Andrew had asked Feliks this question on CubeCast. If memory serves correctly, Feliks said Dan Brown said to always do the cross with the best color (as in what has the most of the cross done), so that's what he did.
 
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I average roughly 16/17 seconds right now. But I average about a minute OH (ive just started practicing)

Im going to try and be completely CN with OH and see if that will help me transition into CN for my 2H solves.
 
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