Why I am now Color Netural

[yockee]

I've been trying to become CN for quite some time now. Usually, I just get frustrated and go back to white because it get's boring knowing that I can't look ahead and have a fast solve. The one thing that keeps me pushing at it is because I know it'll give me something new and make crosses better for me. A lot of the times, I still get a 3 sec cross, which just sucks. I only get 1-2 sec crosses when they are just plain easy. I always think back to how I first started on green cross, and stayed there for about a year. I only switched to white because when I started learning from you tube, most tutorials were using white cross. I forced myself to switch then, so I should be able to do it now. I remember it took a while then, too.

 

[Vinny]

Every cuber can do that, and that doesn't mean we are all colour neutral.

I'm solving with a blue cross at this moment, but I'm definitely not CN.

But you wouldn't normally do that, because your preference is not blue. A color neutral person has no preference as to which cross to start with.

 

[DavidWoner]

I agree with Kir about the meaning of Colour Neutral. The name implies that you are equally fast with all starting colors, and so you should be. I don't really think this is something that is up for debate, as this has always been the definition of CN.

Also this thread is not convincing at all. You say frequently traveling a road makes it wider? I've carved the Grand Canyon through white/yellow cross with hundreds of thousands of solves, you really think I should spent what will likely be more than a year practicing with other colours just to save an average of ~1 move? I think not, I have better ways to spend my time. People are still pushing the boundaries of single and dual cross-colour solving, and I have certainly not stalled.

I'm also kind of annoyed by the statement "It's worth it. I think Rowe would agree." What does Rowe know about switching from single colour to colour neutral? As far as I know he's always been CN, the only switch he made was from Petrus to CFOP. Certainly he is an expert on the benefits of being CN, but I don't think you can use him as an example to reinforce the argument for switching to colour nuetral.

 

[Forte]

Just because I insert pairs with my left hand when convenient, it doesn't mean that I'm ambidextrous lol

It's the same for colour neutrality. Just because you do the easiest cross colour, it doesn't mean that you're automatically colour neutral. If you would have got a faster time if that cross had been white, then you're probably not colour neutral

 

[IamWEB]

You can suck at using Roux, but you are still using Roux.
If you are bad at being CN then you are not CN.

Some of you are looking at color neutrality as a style/way of solving instead of a statement regarding your abilities.
If you are working on solving with all cross colors then you're working towards color neutrality, but you are not yet color neutral.

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IMO

 

[yockee]

Something I've noticed is that I find it easier to solve CN on certain cubes more than others. The weird thing about it is that all those cubes could be black or white, and have the same sticker colors, but there's something about certain cubes that make it easier than others. I definitely find it easier on white cubes. I don't know if it's the different shades of black or white, or the size of stickers, or how close they are.... Ex: I solve CN on my Haiyan's cube much faster (I THINK) because the stickers are so close together. I don't know, really. I solve CN really well on my white POM Gu Hong, but on my regular white Gu Hong, I can't even solve white well, because the white is so bright that it makes me not able to see the colors as well. My white A5 and C2 are both kind of a dark white, and I do really well with them.

 

[teller]

I've been trying to become CN for quite some time now. Usually, I just get frustrated and go back to white because it get's boring knowing that I can't look ahead and have a fast solve. The one thing that keeps me pushing at it is because I know it'll give me something new and make crosses better for me. A lot of the times, I still get a 3 sec cross, which just sucks. I only get 1-2 sec crosses when they are just plain easy. I always think back to how I first started on green cross, and stayed there for about a year. I only switched to white because when I started learning from you tube, most tutorials were using white cross. I forced myself to switch then, so I should be able to do it now. I remember it took a while then, too.

I had the same exact problem, missing my speed, and it kept me from taking the plunge for over a year. There's this wall you have to push through. I guess I finally committed because I felt like a hypocrite evangelizing this thing that I wasn't even doing. On the other side of the wall, though...the water is fine! The grass is green, and the crosses are rainbow colored.

 

[teller]

@Woner: I was under the impression that Rowe was fixed color at one point. If I am mistaken, then I apologize.

 

[jms_gears1]

Every cuber can do that, and that doesn't mean we are all colour neutral.

I'm solving with a blue cross at this moment, but I'm definitely not CN.

Well sure, Every cuber can use any other method. The reason they arent considered to be x method users is because they choose not to.

In much the same fashion every cuber has the ability to choose whichever colour would give them a better block/cross, the ones that choose to do so should be considered CN, whereas those who stick with one color are not.

tl;dr: its not so much about the ability to be CN as it is the actual action of being CN

EDIT: Didnt see there were more replies, I thought it took me to the last post >.>

I guess if you look at it as an adjective describing an ability then I would agree with Kir/Woner. I was looking at it as an adjective to describe the way in which you solve.

 

[teller]

The OP was encouraging people to take the plunge and stick with it. The definition debate is uninteresting and off-topic.

 

[Kirjava]

The definition debate is uninteresting and off-topic.

Realised that you're wrong?

 

[teller]

Realised that you're wrong?

I still say I'm CN. I'm cool with being "wrong" though.

 

[Kirjava]

It's just that people assume it means you're colour neutral, when you aren't.

I know I did at first. It's misleading.

 

[teller]

It's just that people assume it means you're colour neutral, when you aren't.

I know I did at first. It's misleading.

I think everyone knew what I meant, except for the definition nazis.

 

[Kirjava]

I think everyone knew what I meant, except for the definition nazis.

No they didn't. The title doesn't give enough information to know what you meant.

Now you're calling me a nazi? Grow up babe

 

[Andrew Ricci]

No they didn't. The title doesn't give enough information to know what you meant.

Now you're calling me a nazi? Grow up babe

I find it funny that you complain about other people derailing your threads to discuss something mundane and stupid, but you did the exact same thing to this one.

 

[Kirjava]

I find it funny that you complain about other people derailing your threads to discuss something mundane and stupid, but you did the exact same thing to this one.

I think how we use terms in cubing is important and it makes me sad to see them diluted like this.

What exactly is there to derail from in this thread? It's a story posted by the OP. There's not much contructive you can do to that aside from adding your own experiences. Topic drift is natural, and this is still somewhat on topic.

I don't "complain about other people derailing my threads". You're just making that **** up. This is the closest I have come to doing what you've said. I'm surprised how nice I was considering the derailments I have to content with consist of quoting someone and explaining why they are wrong and why their idea is stupid. This contrasts to the "derailment" in this thread that contains valuable discussion pertaining to the correct use of cubing terminology.

 

[teller]

Alright, I guess we're going to have this discussion...

Definitions are great, they really are. I couldn't do philosophy without them. They tell which things or people or events belong in a category, and which ones do not. Your definition of CN would seem to exclude anyone with the slightest bias for a certain color. How perfectly uniform do the different colors have to be? 100% 99.9? Where is the line? My white cross are the oldest neurons and unless I avoid white for a long time I may never get rid of a slight edge. Am I excluded forever?

 

[Kirjava]

A lack of bias is required.

 

[DavidWoner]

Considering the OP is stating that it is worth the sacrifice to switch to color neutral, I'd say that it is of extreme importance that we establish what the term means. When I read the OP I assumed that Teller had managed to even out his times with all cross colors, since that is the definition of color neutral I have always heard.

Re: Deletions- I was just clearing up some clutter. This thread was actually right on topic until someone accused Thom of derailing it.