The Future of Competitive Speedsolving (a discussion)
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Jaycee
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Exactly his point.
But exactly how many younger cubers (16 or less), are actually fast enough that we know who they are?
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20 seconds isn't fast, but I wouldn't be surprised if some of your PLLs are. I'm not saying every young nub is going to be solving quickly, but it really does seem like almost all of them get obsessed with how fast they can do the T-perm or whatever, and from there it's really only a matter of practice (which few will actually put in, though) to get your sub-10 average.
Cubetastic
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To me, right now it seems that all the advancements in cubing are coming from the cubes themselves not really from the cubers, im not saying people arent improving, but the amount of advancements with the guhongs and lubix is amazing
Jaycee
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Well, my TPS isn't insanely fast (Averaging ~3.2 on most solves I've reconstructed), but yes, a few of my PLLs are fairly decent. Right now I'm focusing on learning full OLL and getting better PLL algs, and once that's done it'll be fingertrick drilling to improve my LL times. So I guess you're correct in saying that us younger ones tend to focus on TPS, but a few of us do realize that it's look-ahead and recognition that makes or breaks our times. I'm certain if I work on intuitive F2L I'd be much faster.
Sorry if I came off as whiny there, I saw the 13-year old comment and was taken aback at first. >.>
EDIT : Didn't mean to get so off-topic. :/
Sorry if I came off as whiny there, I saw the 13-year old comment and was taken aback at first. >.>
EDIT : Didn't mean to get so off-topic. :/
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Hershey
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8.84 avg of 12 and 7.63 avg of 5 done with Alpha V.
7.38 avg of 5 and 5.72 single done with Haiyan Memory.
You really don't need a Dayan cube to get amazing times. These "advancements" can be done with $11 3x3s (and you can mod an Alpha V by yourself).
Jungleterrain
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Hopefully the "future of speedcubing" (mainly 3x3) does not necessarily become the "future of CFOP", which it seems to be becoming. I don't think any other method has been explored nearly as much as they should be. After people learn LBL, all I really imagine currently happening is young kids typing "Rubik's cube World Record" into the Youtube search query, seeing Faz's videos (and calling the method Fridrich, which is still "correct" by popular agreement, although CFOP is more precise), and thinking that his method is the fastest and best there is. The similarities between LBL and CFOP makes it an easier transition than from LBL to Roux or Petrus or any other method. What if someone actually took Rouz or ZZ took its limits and found that it is faster than what CFOP currently is, although by a matter of hundredths of a second on average, or case recognition or whatever it may be?
In short, I don't know much about the future competitive speedcubing, and I totally agree with Chris Hardwick's first post in this thread, too. No one knows what the future will be, but we can certainly take a guess. However, I for one desire a more diverse speedcubing community(in terms of what methods cubers use), since it's already pretty obvious that it's growing. Maybe we'll be surprised by what we find when we see people take a deeper look into different methods, techniques, theories, etc.
Since it is impossible to try to foresee the future, we should focus some of our efforts in trying to direct the future. To help diversify the community, and to direct newcomers (newbs), it would be cool if we had some type of "Featured Method of the Week" sort of thing on the Home page of these forums. For example, one week it could be Petrus, and it could give a short history of how it started, its origins, notable users of the method, or simply a redirect to the Wiki page for that method. This shouldn't be limited to just 3x3 methods, but to BLD, 4x4 K4, Gigaminx, Pyraminx, Clock, etc. (sorry if it's not applicable to some of these puzzles, which I'm not familar with, but I'm guessing they might be). That way, newcomers will get a small peek at some other method before they take the plunge and commit to CFOP or some other more popular method.
We should not be afraid of the words "intuitive" or "blockbuilding". Just an idea and some thoughts.
In short, I don't know much about the future competitive speedcubing, and I totally agree with Chris Hardwick's first post in this thread, too. No one knows what the future will be, but we can certainly take a guess. However, I for one desire a more diverse speedcubing community(in terms of what methods cubers use), since it's already pretty obvious that it's growing. Maybe we'll be surprised by what we find when we see people take a deeper look into different methods, techniques, theories, etc.
Since it is impossible to try to foresee the future, we should focus some of our efforts in trying to direct the future. To help diversify the community, and to direct newcomers (newbs), it would be cool if we had some type of "Featured Method of the Week" sort of thing on the Home page of these forums. For example, one week it could be Petrus, and it could give a short history of how it started, its origins, notable users of the method, or simply a redirect to the Wiki page for that method. This shouldn't be limited to just 3x3 methods, but to BLD, 4x4 K4, Gigaminx, Pyraminx, Clock, etc. (sorry if it's not applicable to some of these puzzles, which I'm not familar with, but I'm guessing they might be). That way, newcomers will get a small peek at some other method before they take the plunge and commit to CFOP or some other more popular method.
We should not be afraid of the words "intuitive" or "blockbuilding". Just an idea and some thoughts.
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Hershey
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Really? I thought Feliks' lookahead is great?
Thompson
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soon everyone will know all last layer cases so obviously thats going to make people faster
David Zemdegs
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In terms of recognition, why is there little mention of the 21 other people who currently have world records and in some cases are breaking their own records regularly too (e.g. 7x7 or 5x5bld)?
michaelfivez
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Probably because 3x3 is the 'main' event and that feliks has an very big lead in that event as well as having (former) wr's in events that are also popular (big cubes popularity> sq one,....)
Phlippieskezer
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Your son's 3x3 world record is simply the easiest example to use, and 3x3 is also the most popular and probably most followed event there is. I don't imagine there to be any other real reason. We're by no means trying to insult Feliks or undermine the accomplishment of his world records, here. It's just the easiest one to point to.
It's like in the OP, it says "with the likes of Feliks Zemdegs dominating..." meaning there indeed are others.
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michaelfivez
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He means recognition as in 'giving credit to'...
... If I was referring to him I would have quoted him.
But all you guys are living the lookahead myth!
JyH
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Faz is too. You're the only that's not living the "lookahead myth".
Phlippieskezer
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Really, you have no clue what you're talking about. Faz has crazy-good lookahead, and he has excellent recognition. Do you honestly think he uses algorithms for every portion of his solve? Besides, look at his world record videos. He actually pauses at OLL/PLL a lot more than he does during F2L (even though it's still like... 0.5 seconds, if). He probably has better look ahead than he does case recognition.
I think it's safe to say you're sure living the "100% algorithmic solution" myth.
P.S. Sorry for the initial post I made. Realise it's offensive. Seems like a mod consequently deleted it.
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Hershey
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Kirjava isn't turning very fast, yet he still got a 1:22.93 5x5 single?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wq3MkBlwAnA&feature=mfu_in_order&list=UL
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