Deeper F2L
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uberCuber
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uberCuber
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What's your point? You realize that that just means scrambling with nothing but R,U (or M,U) moves, and then solving with nothing but R,U (or M,U) moves? Obviously a partial solve like that is going to be faster than normal solves.
Cubenovice
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yockee
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If you go here: http://www.cubestation.co.uk/index.php?page=3x3x3/cfop/f2l/f2l
It gives you each case with each rotation. That was originally how I learned F2L back in 08 / 09.
Escher
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(I taught Conrad F' R U R' U' R' F R 
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I only skimread but I really don't understand the point of this thread... There are thousands of f2l resources out there and this is just unhelpful really. At least this is the first thread you made that isn't total spam.
Just so everybody knows, EOCross is totally pointless. <R, U, L, D, F2, B2> is not some holy subgroup, and while you reduce the number of cases you can have, you also increase case variance. Normal Fridrich f2l not done by an ***** is perfectly good.
If you've read this, please don't get confused and make sure you know that EO + f2l is a terrible idea. The thread was just made to help you understand a concept within f2l...
)I only skimread but I really don't understand the point of this thread... There are thousands of f2l resources out there and this is just unhelpful really. At least this is the first thread you made that isn't total spam.
Just so everybody knows, EOCross is totally pointless. <R, U, L, D, F2, B2> is not some holy subgroup, and while you reduce the number of cases you can have, you also increase case variance. Normal Fridrich f2l not done by an ***** is perfectly good.
If you've read this, please don't get confused and make sure you know that EO + f2l is a terrible idea. The thread was just made to help you understand a concept within f2l...
macky
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Sure, though many cases listed just reduce to another one with d/d'.
Except my site has many many more algorithms for normal F2L? And is older.
(I taught Conrad F' R U R' U' R' F R
Are you responsible for spreading this one with the modern fingering?
Cubenovice
Forever Slow
(I taught Conrad F' R U R' U' R' F R
Don't be such a sad face ;-)
You should be glad that he teaches it to other people
Macky,
I am sure you understand that mentioning teaching someone something is not claiming having "invented" something
macky
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Macky,
I am sure you understand that mentioning teaching someone something is not claiming having "invented" something
Right. Which is why I ask, especially since I know that Escher was an early user of the index push in 2H. I consider that algorithm among the first game changers and an important step towards modern F2L, so I'm very interested in its origins.
Escher
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Jude Wright first showed me using index finger F' for J, Y and T perm in late 2008 and that was the first I'd ever seen somebody use it. At first I didn't like it but as I got faster I switched.
I came up with that F' etc alg a little while after learning the fingertrick because a) my other solutions for the case required a rotation and were sucky and b) I wanted to use the fingertrick in f2l too cos it was fun :3
It became 'popular' after I mentioned it in a thread to Chris Hardwick and he started pushing it in other threads...
Kirjava
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I love you. People are so keen to ignore stuff like this when desperate to try and "improve" methods.
EOCross is just move bloat.
cincyaviation
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Jude Wright first showed me using index finger F' for J, Y and T perm in late 2008 and that was the first I'd ever seen somebody use it. At first I didn't like it but as I got faster I switched.
I came up with that F' etc alg a little while after learning the fingertrick because a) my other solutions for the case required a rotation and were sucky and b) I wanted to use the fingertrick in f2l too cos it was fun :3
It became 'popular' after I mentioned it in a thread to Chris Hardwick and he started pushing it in other threads...
I've always used index for those simply because at first I couldn't figure out exactly how do do F' with my thumb.
teller
REAL Fingertricks!
I don't fault the OP for exploring ideas...we all toy around with things at various stages during our career...it shouldn't be discouraged, as long as you recognize that you are not the first person to climb such peaks. OP, take the criticism constructively, even if it's rude.
But I could never stomach EOCross for the sole reason that it would eliminate fully half of my beautiful F2L!
And modern fingering...hmm...F' is a backhand (OH flick) for me more and more these days...
But I could never stomach EOCross for the sole reason that it would eliminate fully half of my beautiful F2L!
And modern fingering...hmm...F' is a backhand (OH flick) for me more and more these days...
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Yeah... what is the point of this thread?
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yockee
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There's also the alg that Erik Akkersdijk uses: R' F' R U R U' R' F. I love that alg.
teller
REAL Fingertricks!
I use that one religiously...but for BL I use the Escher's, rotated: x' U' r U r' F' r' F r
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Cubenovice
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Glad to see this thread turning into something usefull!
I never used my thumb for F', index finger came natural to me.
And recently I have switched to a "backhand index" for J- (always) and Y-perm (sometimes).
After an R U R' it comes quite naturally to reach down with my right index finger and flick up the F face and continue into R U ... in one fuid motion.
I never used my thumb for F', index finger came natural to me.
And recently I have switched to a "backhand index" for J- (always) and Y-perm (sometimes).
After an R U R' it comes quite naturally to reach down with my right index finger and flick up the F face and continue into R U ... in one fuid motion.
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