CFOP users, your step breakdown.
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riffz
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Estimating here...
Cross: 1-2
F2L Slots: 7-9
OLL: 1-2
PLL: 1-3
EDIT: I think my LL times are frequently worse than this... Maybe I'll actually time some splits.
A lot of you have absurdly slow crosses compared to your F2L...
Cross: 1-2
F2L Slots: 7-9
OLL: 1-2
PLL: 1-3
EDIT: I think my LL times are frequently worse than this... Maybe I'll actually time some splits.
A lot of you have absurdly slow crosses compared to your F2L...
Chrisalead
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cross : 1~3s
F2L : 7~10s
LL : 4~7s
I average ~17s.
F2L : 7~10s
LL : 4~7s
I average ~17s.
NaeosPsy
Regular
Cross - 3
F2L(w/o cross) - 9
OLL - 4
PLL - 4
Lolbreakdown, i know.
F2L(w/o cross) - 9
OLL - 4
PLL - 4
Lolbreakdown, i know.
MoRpHiiNe
Regular
After an average of 12;
Cross: 2.9-6.4, average: 5.10
F2l: 11.3-27.3, average: 18.69
OLL: 1.3-7.8, average: 4.45
PLL: 2.6-7.6, average: 5.42
Total: 24.6-43.3, average: 33.67
Using 4 look last layer, got some really non consistent times =S. Well some really high ones anyway =S.
Cross: 2.9-6.4, average: 5.10
F2l: 11.3-27.3, average: 18.69
OLL: 1.3-7.8, average: 4.45
PLL: 2.6-7.6, average: 5.42
Total: 24.6-43.3, average: 33.67
Using 4 look last layer, got some really non consistent times =S. Well some really high ones anyway =S.
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Something like
cross-2
4 pairs- 7-8
ll- 4-5
cross-2
4 pairs- 7-8
ll- 4-5
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speedpicker
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Perhaps someone with who has travelled the road to sub 15 could collate this info into a useful form, perhaps merging it with the getting faster with Fridrich thread: http://www.speedsolving.com/forum/showthread.php?6085-How-to-Get-Faster-using-the-Fridrich-Method .
By this is I mean that for each stage in the Fridrich post, along with goal times you could have goal breakdowns too:
e.g.(from Fridrich post)
Step 2
Current Average: 1:00-1:19
Goal Average: 40-49 seconds
Learn 4 look last layer (4LLL). (Links to where to learn the algorithms will be at the bottom of this guide)
2 Look OLL
Edge Orientation - 2 algorithms
Corner Orientation - 7 algorithms
2 Look PLL
Corner Permutation - 3 Algorithms Aa/Ab and E/V/Y/Na/Nb
Edge Permutation - 4 algorithms - Ua, Ub, Z, H
Lots of really useful informatiom there, but if the "Goal Average: 40-49 seconds" were changed to Goal Average: 5-10 sec cross, 15-20 sec f2l, 5-10 sec oll, 5-10 sec pll, then people trying to follow the progression outlined in the docment would be better equipped to identify precisely where there weakness is. So for a cuber who has just learned 4LLL, they would have a clear idea of how polished each phase needs to be, and thus organise their practice time accordingly. I for one was frantically working to drop my f2l time, but realised from reading this thread that my cross is letting me down. If a set of sensible goals for CFO and P for each phase of the road to sub xxx were available, the dedicated student could organise their practice far more effectively.
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Also, having watched Felix's slowmo vids on youtube, I reckon he is roughly 1 sec cross, 3 sec f2l, 3 sec LL. Is a similar breakdown scaled up to the times of mortals a good one to shoot for? Should my f2l be roughly the same as my LL, and my cross be about a third of that? This would scale up to 4 sec cross, 12 sec f2l, 12 sec ll for a 28 second solve.
Anyway, my own contribution to the original thread:
Cross - 3-5
F2L - 12-18
LL - 10-18
By this is I mean that for each stage in the Fridrich post, along with goal times you could have goal breakdowns too:
e.g.(from Fridrich post)
Step 2
Current Average: 1:00-1:19
Goal Average: 40-49 seconds
Learn 4 look last layer (4LLL). (Links to where to learn the algorithms will be at the bottom of this guide)
2 Look OLL
Edge Orientation - 2 algorithms
Corner Orientation - 7 algorithms
2 Look PLL
Corner Permutation - 3 Algorithms Aa/Ab and E/V/Y/Na/Nb
Edge Permutation - 4 algorithms - Ua, Ub, Z, H
Lots of really useful informatiom there, but if the "Goal Average: 40-49 seconds" were changed to Goal Average: 5-10 sec cross, 15-20 sec f2l, 5-10 sec oll, 5-10 sec pll, then people trying to follow the progression outlined in the docment would be better equipped to identify precisely where there weakness is. So for a cuber who has just learned 4LLL, they would have a clear idea of how polished each phase needs to be, and thus organise their practice time accordingly. I for one was frantically working to drop my f2l time, but realised from reading this thread that my cross is letting me down. If a set of sensible goals for CFO and P for each phase of the road to sub xxx were available, the dedicated student could organise their practice far more effectively.
.
Also, having watched Felix's slowmo vids on youtube, I reckon he is roughly 1 sec cross, 3 sec f2l, 3 sec LL. Is a similar breakdown scaled up to the times of mortals a good one to shoot for? Should my f2l be roughly the same as my LL, and my cross be about a third of that? This would scale up to 4 sec cross, 12 sec f2l, 12 sec ll for a 28 second solve.
Anyway, my own contribution to the original thread:
Cross - 3-5
F2L - 12-18
LL - 10-18
emolover
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That is not true at all. LL is almost as slow as F2L for me and I avg 16-18.
speedpicker
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If your F2L is at least 400% slower than your LL then taking your last layer as an example (7-14 secs overall), then the corresponding F2L at 400% slower should be 35 - 70 seconds.
Did you mean 40% ? (again going by your figures) 10 - 20 seconds for F2L? Still doesn't tally up, as your actual median F2L is 12, not 15 as your math would suggest.
If anyone could clarify a good "rule of thumb" ratio to measure progress and establish strengths/weaknesses, that would be great. Any advance on 1:3:3 ?
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cross: 1-2
f2l:4.5-7.5
ll:3-4
f2l:4.5-7.5
ll:3-4
Engberg91
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Cross: 0-2
F2L: 6-8
OLL: 0-2
PLL: 0-2
F2L: 6-8
OLL: 0-2
PLL: 0-2
speedpicker
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Jorghi, I am trying to establish a baseline for establishing what one sucks at, relative to the other elements of the solve. Judging by the last couple of posts, perhaps 1:4:2 is a better target.
yockee
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Cross: 1 - 3 sec. depending on how good or bad the case is
F2L: 8 - 12
OLL: 1 - 3 sec.
PLL: 1 - 3 sec.
Avg solve 16-18.
F2L: 8 - 12
OLL: 1 - 3 sec.
PLL: 1 - 3 sec.
Avg solve 16-18.
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MoRpHiiNe
Regular
The ratio for cross: f2l : oll : pll seems to be around 1 : 3.5-4 : 1 : 1? F2l times just depend on practice, in comparison to others, but that ratio seems about right.
TheCubeMaster5000
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cross: 2-4
f2l: ~10
oll: 1-3
pll: 2-4
Yeah, f2l usually isn't my problem. It's the honkin' cross and pll that always trip me up.
f2l: ~10
oll: 1-3
pll: 2-4
Yeah, f2l usually isn't my problem. It's the honkin' cross and pll that always trip me up.
xabu1
Regular
when I did CFOP, I had a breakdown like
cross: ~3 sec
F2L: ~7 sec
OLL: ~6 sec
PLL: ~4 sec
cross: ~3 sec
F2L: ~7 sec
OLL: ~6 sec
PLL: ~4 sec
MoRpHiiNe
Regular
An OLL time almost the same as your f2l? Wtf?
xabu1
Regular
yeah, I would have solves where I was done f2l at 10 seconds, but I get a 22 second time, it was wierd
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