Waffle's Roux Tutorial

[Athefre]

Do R2U2R'U'RU'R'.

 

[5BLD]

Yeah waffo, I recognise cases similarly to you do, even for non-matching funnily enough. I took the algs from Gilles page, kinda did them backwards and then drew the case etc.
Why didn't I see your tutorial in the first place? It would've helped me alot...

 

[uberCuber]

What is NMCLL?

Non-matching CLL. CLL for when the first two blocks don't match directly

 

[LarsN]

Okay, I played a bit around with NMCMLL and found out that I only use it for cases where the blocks are seperate by an R2. This is because I use white/yellow as U or D color. I'm not color neutral enough to do it with a quarter turn difference.
This helped a lot on the number of cases and lets me continue to use the Bob Burton matching/opposite/adjant sticker approach. I've generated a table of cases if anyone is interested, but beware I made it for my own use and it might not be easily understandable

Here is the table

 

[waffle=ijm]

oh wow. that's actually great. thanks

 

[Athefre]

Okay, I played a bit around with NMCMLL and found out that I only use it for cases where the blocks are seperate by an R2. This is because I use white/yellow as U or D color. I'm not color neutral enough to do it with a quarter turn difference.
This helped a lot on the number of cases and lets me continue to use the Bob Burton matching/opposite/adjant sticker approach. I've generated a table of cases if anyone is interested, but beware I made it for my own use and it might not be easily understandable

Here is the table

This is slightly different from my page. Are you using this just for normal and R2 blocks?

What about my recognition system did you not like that made you make this document?

 

[buelercuber]

Ok, finally some good rouxtorials!! these are great, i'm already sub 30 with them ( i average sub 18 with CFOP) Can't wait till i get faster and get better at block building!!

 

[StachuK1992]

Hey kids, what's your First Block average? (be honest, please)
Movecount and time.

 

[waffle=ijm]

3.22, 1.73, 3.03, 2.37, 3.41, 3.22, 2.09, 2.95, 2.39, 3.17, 2.47, 2.84 = 2.78 (σ = 0.41)

9, 8, 8, 13, 9, 8, 9, 13, 12, 8, 9, 8 = 9.5 moves

 

[Hershey]

Hey kids, what's your First Block average? (be honest, please)
Movecount and time.

Average of 5: 7.15
1. 6.79 B' D' U' B' D' F B2 R' L2 F2 L' U L R' F U' L2 F2 U2 B' L' F L2 B2 F'
2. (4.32) R' L2 F' D' B' R2 L' B' U B2 L R2 F2 R2 U' B L' F B' D' R D' U' L2 U2
3. (14.81) F' D' U2 L2 D' L R' U' B' R' D R L2 U2 L F B D2 B R2 L B' L' B' U'
4. 7.99 D2 L' D F2 B U D' L U' L2 D2 U' B2 F' R L D' F U' F' U R L B' U'
5. 6.66 L F2 U2 L' B2 R2 D2 B L2 D F2 R B' L2 U' D2 R' B2 D' U' R2 L2 F' U D

Sorry, no movecount.
I'm a CFOP user, by the way.

 

[StachuK1992]

Thanks, Waffle.

Guys, please don't post unless in response to my question unless you've been doing this for over a month. :/
Nothing personal, I just want don't need data that I don't want.

 

[Hershey]

Guys, please don't post unless in response to my question unless you've been doing this for over a month. :/

Oh. Sorry.

 

[Athefre]

I did an average of 25 solves for the first block last month just to check movecount, doing it the same as I would in a speedsolve. The average was exactly 8.00. For time, I probably average 2.5s in a speedsolve.

 

[Kirjava]

From 08-16-2010;

2.42, 2.07, 2.51, 2.39, (2.79), 1.78, 1.39, (1.32), 2.08, 2.64, 2.14, 1.63 = 2.11

also,

19:55:30 <BigGreen> 2.07, 2.76, 2.14, 2.36, 1.78, (0.97), 2.72, 2.04, 3.20, 2.06, 1.89, (3.60) = 2.30 first block

 

[LarsN]

This is slightly different from my page. Are you using this just for normal and R2 blocks?

What about my recognition system did you not like that made you make this document?

Yes, first image is the normal case and the adjant images are R2 blocks cases for the same alg/case.

I could not determine your recognition system, because of technical issues I couldn't see the images on your page. I mostly browse from a computer at my work, which has some filter that limits my acces to certain pages. I could probably see it at home, but when I'm at home I'm a full time dad, no time for cubing

 

[Athefre]

Yes, first image is the normal case and the adjant images are R2 blocks cases for the same alg/case.

I could not determine your recognition system, because of technical issues I couldn't see the images on your page. I mostly browse from a computer at my work, which has some filter that limits my acces to certain pages. I could probably see it at home, but when I'm at home I'm a full time dad, no time for cubing

Ah. It's actually not necessary to memorize any extra cases for R2 corners. All you have to do is use your usual recognition and mentally "flip" the F/B colors depending on whether they both have the same U colors or not.

 

[LarsN]

Ah. It's actually not necessary to memorize any extra cases for R2 corners. All you have to do is use your usual recognition and mentally "flip" the F/B colors depending on whether they both have the same U colors or not.

Yes, I can see the point of that. But it doesn't seem to work with my method. I guess that is for when you look for matching stickers, but that's not what I do. I look at 3 or 4 fixed stickers (depending on the corner orientation) and determine their relationship.
Of the two methods I like the one I use best because I only need to look at U and sometimes F to determine the case. With R2 NMCMLL I need to look at R sometimes though.

 

[Athefre]

Yes, I can see the point of that. But it doesn't seem to work with my method.

It should work. Tell me what stickers you check for the Sune orientation and I'll describe in more detail.

 

[LarsN]

It should work. Tell me what stickers you check for the Sune orientation and I'll describe in more detail.

I look at FUR, UFL and ULB

For this case I determine that FUR and UFL are opposites.

This got me thinking though and I may get it now. You are saying that with NMCMLL (R2 only I guess) in the above case I should look at the relevant corners U-face sticker. If they are not the same I should change one sticker of my targets to the opposite. If that was relevant for this case I would get two same colored stickers. Right?

It seems a bit tricky to do fast, but I could use it to check the case when I am unsure.

EDIT: I got a chance to look at your NMCMLL method. It does look really interesting. It could convince me to use full NMCMLL.

 

[BigGreen]

19:55:30 <BigGreen> 2.07, 2.76, 2.14, 2.36, 1.78, (0.97), 2.72, 2.04, 3.20, 2.06, 1.89, (3.60) = 2.30 first block

1.81, 2.16, 1.20, (0.64), 1.78, 2.34, 2.12, 1.66, 2.53, 2.43, (2.90), 1.93 = 1.99

.64 was 4 moves