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So lightake's supplies of Dayan cubes has got more expensive becuase they can't get any more, or becuase they have been forced to make them more expensive?
Of course, this is not compulsory. You can either sign the agreement and get the cubes for sales, or you refuse the agreement and not to sell the our cubes.
Did you read my previous sentence ? Can the above sentence answer your question ?
None can force others to do anything. Only you make your agreement, you have to keep your words.
With the "LT points", "free registered for orders over USD 15" and coupons, he had doing many ways to break his words, under-cutting and hurting other Dayan sellers, also upseting Mr. Dayan.
Calvinfan, I'm not defending LT, but I think your arguments are a little bit personal against them. Did you read my previous post? I think this is simply a commercial issue because LT sells more than others, no way this is a matter of honour, respect, heart and blood, etc. Like I said before: if you sell to LT a cube for 10 dollars thats the value of the honor/work of Mr. Dayan. 15 dolars for a 333 cube is cheap cheap rubish? Did his honor get ripped off by 80 dollar cents disccount?
Thanks for your long sentence. What I say is that below,
Of course, this is not compulsory. You can either sign the agreement and get the cubes for sales, or you refuse the agreement and not to sell the our cubes.
Anything industries has their own rules and agreement. Only those keep his words is worth for our respect and showing respect to the agreement and also Mr. Dayan.
Will he raise the prices up to win "honor"? Please explain it because if not, this sentence has no sense. Dayan gains the "honor" and respetc of the cubing world because of the quality of their cubes and designs, not because it's a respectable or honorable worldwide brand or their cubes are the most expensive around. Nobody think that Dayan cubes are cheap cheap toys,even if your main cube is a non Dayan. If this is some marketing/bussiness strategy I think is way too much for the cubing world, go and sell cheap cheap rubish for stupid prices to some hipsters and snobs.
Again, the prices has been set by Mr. Dayan on the agreement at day 1 of releasing the cubes.
Again and Again, this is not compulsory. You can either sign the agreement and get the cubes for sales, or you refuse the agreement and not to sell the our cubes.
Hope can answer your questions. Thanks for your time.
I find it strange - if Mr. Dayan really wants to build up his brand, I thought the better way would be free market - sell at whatever prices he desires but allow the various competiting sale channels sell at whatever prices that would move his products quickly. He should really focus on his products instead of getting involved with the retailers.
Speed stack US has his pricing policy for their retailers as fairness and protection, so do Rubik's cubes and Meffert's puzzles. Mr. Dayan is just follow their successful pricing system.
If you have your own brand and products, you can try "free market". Hope you can succeed.
Ok, that's helpful to know, essential to understand the situation. At first I thought you made up rules for your group and then tried to force them on an independent outsider as well. If they had agreed to them and broke them, that's something else. The coupons do look a bit sneaky now, though whether they actually break the terms is of course still impossible for us to tell without knowing exactly what they were. Anyway, I just hope your new terms work out well, so everybody is happy.
Not only the coupons, with the "LT points" and "free registered for orders over USD 15" , he had doing many ways to break his words, under-cutting and hurting other Dayan sellers, also upseting and insulting Mr. Dayan.
 
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Since the thread "HK Now Store Official Thread - New Arrivals in May 2011 " had been locked for some reason, we can continue our discussion here.
I think this is not the right place. Ask why they close the thread and maybe we can continue our discussion somewhere else.

Precisely. The thread was closed to prevent an imminent flame war. I suggest we drop the topic. A new rule will be implemented and we as consumers and LT as retailers have no option but to suck it up and obey. (Just in case, there isn't a harsh or mean tone on that one :D)
 
I wonder how HK Now Store is able to sell GuHong kits for $1.99 on ebay?
Note that the postage cost $12 for Guhong kit but $20 for a LunHui. I know the LunHui is heaver but not $8 heaver!!!!
Now who's breaking rules? ebay have rules about postage charges.
 
I wonder how HK Now Store is able to sell GuHong kits for $1.99 on ebay?
Note that the postage cost $12 for Guhong kit but $20 for a LunHui. I know the LunHui is heaver but not $8 heaver!!!!
Now who's breaking rules? ebay have rules about postage charges.

The postage rules are up to eBay to decide. Since there are so many people charging for postage rather than retail price it's difficult to manage every seller. Regardless of the postage trick the overall retail + postage total is still acceptable.

The weight = price is just silly :P
 
The postage rules are up to eBay to decide. Since there are so many people charging for postage rather than retail price it's difficult to manage every seller. Regardless of the postage trick the overall retail + postage total is still acceptable.

The weight = price is just silly :P

This is not about cost. It's about rule breaking. ebay has rules to stop this practice as it avoids ebay charges. It's dishonest trading and I won't be using HK Now Shop any time soon.
 
So basically, Dayan forces retailers to fix prices AFTER he collected his payment, in order to 1) either protect retailers or 2) create branding (making dayan products more expensive).

Either way, we the consumers are the ones that end up loosing since free marketing has been eliminated and price competition is no longer taking place... Why do I sense this has to do with LT eating the market only? Why does a supplier cares about the final price a retailer puts on its goods, after he collected his money for them?

I would buy a Dayan cube anytime for its QUALITY, but if the price is too high I have to consider other options (not for speed cubes but for other puzzles at least).
 
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The other thread is locked for a reason. Highjacking a competitor thread to make the same point does not hurt lightake but p*ss off consumers.
way to go, man.

You have your means as stated to control the dayan market - give it a rest already.
 
i caught it. but then i was thinking how to will take months for any real news about it to come out so whatever
The Dayan factory current has no more production on the LingYun 1, and so it will be discontinued after sold out.
The Lingyun 2 will be released in July or August.

So basically, Dayan forces retailers to fix prices AFTER he collected his payment, in order to 1) either protect retailers or 2) create branding (making dayan products more expensive).
Either way, we the consumers are the ones that end up loosing since free marketing has been eliminated and price competition is no longer taking place... Why do I sense this has to do with LT eating the market only? Why does a supplier cares about the final price a retailer puts on its goods, after he collected his money for them?
You can either sign the agreement and get the cubes for sales, or you refuse the agreement and not to sell the our cubes.
Only if you agree the rules/agreement, then you can get the cubes. Price policy is there before you can get the cube, not after.
Speed Stack US, Rubiks and Meffert are doing in these ways. Please understand.

I am mainly doing the wholesales business, actual behind the fire.
For the time being, I am representing Mr. Dayan, Mr. mf8 and many other wholesalers to execute the Price Control Policy which take effect on 1st June 2011.
We all have the eyes on Lightake, hope he can follow the rules/agreement.
For those not yet meet our prices on the agreement, please change it and follow in 2 days, on or before 5 June.
We all hope our cube businesses can grow steady and healthy. Not having serious price wards !
Thanks for your time of all of you.
 
Basically it comes down to this:
I and a lot of people on this forum enjoy the cost savings associated with businesses that are located in China. A lot of these businesses have cheap overhead costs like rent and they can pass down the savings to us. Even major electronics companies relocate a lot of their business to China to reap some of the benefits of this. As a result, the Chinese economy is booming and they are developing quickly.

Lightake sells cheap cubes because they have a small profit margin. Calvin forcing lightake to abandon their discount coupons and sell cubes to us at a higher price may or not be legal or moral, but basically he is making us pay more for the cubes we like to buy. If lightake buys the cubes from the supplier at the same price as other retailers, why can't they sell them to us at a smaller profit?


I have bought DaYan cubes from both HK Now store due to their good service and also from lightake when I don't worry about the crappy postage and service. But from now on I don't think I will buy from HK Now store any more.

P.S, HK Now store whining about broken rules while openly breaking Ebay rules to avoid paying fees is pretty ironic.
 
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Basically it comes down to this:
I and a lot of people on this forum enjoy the cost savings associated with businesses that are located in China. A lot of these businesses have cheap overhead costs like rent and they can pass down the savings to us. Even major electronics companies relocate a lot of their business to China to reap some of the benefits of this. As a result, the Chinese economy is booming and they are developing quickly.

Lightake sells cheap cubes because they have a small profit margin. Calvin forcing lightake to abandon their discount coupons and sell cubes to us at a higher price may or not be legal or moral, but basically he is making us pay more for the cubes we like to buy. If lightake buys the cubes from the supplier at the same price as other retailers, why can't they sell them to us at a smaller profit?


I have bought DaYan cubes from both HK Now store due to their good service and also from lightake when I don't worry about the crappy postage and service. But from now on I don't think I will buy from HK Now store any more.

P.S, HK Now store whining about broken rules while openly breaking Ebay rules to avoid paying fees is pretty ironic.
Thanks for your message.
Again, None can force other to do anything.
Again and Again, this is obviously not compusory, you can either sign the agreement and get the cubes for sales, or you refuse the agreement and not to sell the our cubes.
Hope that i need not repeat the above statement again.

For the time being, I am representing Mr. Dayan, Mr. mf8 and many other wholesalers to execute the Price Control Policy which take effect on 1st June 2011.
We have more than thousands of cube retailers in the world, so that we have prices control policy to protect all our honor customers.
Hence, they can run their business and make a living for their family.
We can not endure one dis-obey retailer and seriously hurt all other thousands of retailers. Will you, in position of Mr. Dayan and Mr. mf8 ?
When you grow up or run a business, you will know the importance of rules/agreement and the fufillment.

PS: I am the power seller on ebay for more 8 years.
eBay has very strict rules on all the listings, for those violate their rules, will be removed instantly and automatically, no excuse.
You can open an account on ebay and try yourself.
 
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Again and Again, this is obviously not compusory, you can either sign the agreement and get the cubes for sales, or you refuse the agreement and not to sell the our cubes.

So you don't sign, you don't get... and that is NOT compulsory? lol

Talk about price fixing... I'm boicoting HKstore and Dayan cubes (except GuHongs of course!) from now on. And Lightake? As soon as an order I placed from them arrives, I'm making another massive one in support for them.

(hey, what can I say, I love free markets and capitalism!)
 
I dont think he is getting the message the way he is harping on the same thing.

The message is simply this: We are CONSUMERs not YOUR RETAILERs. Your agreement means little to us except it serves to remind us that you want to milk us while the going is good (for you).

I bookmarked HKstore seeing how zhanchi is cheaper there than at lightake. Bookmark removed.

edit: I dont see how this works for the consumers: "We have more than thousands of cube retailers in the world, so that we have prices control policy to protect all our honor customers" How does lightake's "cheaper price" hurt the customers?
 
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How does lightake's "cheaper price" hurt the customers?

I will just say now that I'm not really taking sides in this.

It hurts the customers in theory becuase the lower price means that Dayan/Mf8/Who ever don't get as much money from profits, this means that they don't have as much money to make the products, so we, the consumers won't get any products.
 
It hurts the customers in theory becuase the lower price means that Dayan/Mf8/Who ever don't get as much money from profits, this means that they don't have as much money to make the products, so we, the consumers won't get any products.

can't be. No one (short of market demand) can stop Dayan/Mf8 from setting their price TO RESELLERS. They dont lose simply because one or two resellers sells cheaper or even at a loss. What I see is a price wars between the different resellers, and some of them are not smart enough to keep it out of the forum.
 
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