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[HumanDude]

I really don't get it. We see from Lightake that it is perfectly viable to sell a GuHong for 7 dollars (coupon, wholesale discount, and before price increase). As such, you should be lowering your own prices to compete with LighTake, and even undercut them as you can sell your cubes directly to consumers instead of other resellers like LighTake. Instead, you force LighTake to raise their prices, and end up actually driving your customers away. There is no way that I will be buying a ZhanChi from your store - it will be LighTake or Puzzle Addictions for me.

 

[Zubon]

I have personally made purchases from HK Now store in the past. I did that because I was willing to pay a little more for their better service and I wanted the cube as soon as possible. Lightake has slow service and it takes forever for me to get the cubes, so I use them for puzzles that I don't want urgently or I don't mind if they are shaken around during postage. I am sometimes willing to buy from a cheaper vendor if I don't mind the poorer service.

If sites like Lightake are forced to raise their prices to the same level as more expensive stores, there is no way that I would use lightake, I would just buy from a store like HK Now.

Calvin has everything to gain by doing this. A lot of the customers from stores like lightake will shop at his store instead. This will simply result in less competition and variety when buying DaYan or MF8 cubes.

Most economists agree that price fixing ultimately reduces innovation and competition in the particular industry. Not something I want in the puzzle industry.

 

[Lightake.com]

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[calvinfan]

I really don't get it. We see from Lightake that it is perfectly viable to sell a GuHong for 7 dollars (coupon, wholesale discount, and before price increase). As such, you should be lowering your own prices to compete with LighTake, and even undercut them as you can sell your cubes directly to consumers instead of other resellers like LighTake. Instead, you force LighTake to raise their prices, and end up actually driving your customers away. There is no way that I will be buying a ZhanChi from your store - it will be LighTake or Puzzle Addictions for me.

HumanDude, thanks for your message again.
We and all other Dayan retailers did sign the agreement and honestly keep our words, none hypocritical.

Please don't use "force". I say again, none can force others to do anything.

Apart from my wholesales business, I also have a web store in which I have them all at the agreed official prices.
If I break the rules myself and set the price GuHong for below 7 dollars ( off-course I can and also earn money ), but this certainly under-cut and hurt all other Dayan retailers worldwide.
And, I don't want see that all other Dayan retailers go bankrupt and lose their jobs to nurture their families. They have father, mother, may also have kids at your ages. If you are one of the kids, then.
That is very poor and mismerable. Thousands of complaint will also come then.
Thanks for your time.

 

[calvinfan]

I have personally made purchases from HK Now store in the past. I did that because I was willing to pay a little more for their better service and I wanted the cube as soon as possible. Lightake has slow service and it takes forever for me to get the cubes, so I use them for puzzles that I don't want urgently or I don't mind if they are shaken around during postage. I am sometimes willing to buy from a cheaper vendor if I don't mind the poorer service.

If sites like Lightake are forced to raise their prices to the same level as more expensive stores, there is no way that I would use lightake, I would just buy from a store like HK Now.

Calvin has everything to gain by doing this. A lot of the customers from stores like lightake will shop at his store instead. This will simply result in less competition and variety when buying DaYan or MF8 cubes.

Most economists agree that price fixing ultimately reduces innovation and competition in the particular industry. Not something I want in the puzzle industry.

Zubon, thanks for buying cubes from me before.
My main business is wholesales business. Online store is a show room for my wholesales customers and also do a little online orders.
I am also happy if you buy the Dayan and mf8 cubes from our honest retailers worldwide.

 

[Chesnut]

Hello, Lightake.

Could you please push the order Q531335176. It's been a week since my order and it's still processing.

 

[APdRF]

Hi Lightake!

Can you push my order Q61011801 ?

Thanks!

 

[garcijo]

Hi Lightake
What happened to the black pillowed 3x3s sku 41501 ? I can't find it any more.
Thanks

 

[Fred Bloggs]

HumanDude, thanks for your message again.


And, I don't want see that all other Dayan retailers go bankrupt and lose their jobs to nurture their families. They have father, mother, may also have kids at your ages. If you are one of the kids, then.
That is very poor and mismerable. Thousands of complaint will also come then.

The West has had to put up with the Market rates form China for some time now. I don't see you complaining that Industry is suffering in the West because China sells labour so cheap!
If they can't make money from selling cubes then perhaps they should try something else! If you don't like capitalism then tough. Capitalism is about looking after oneself.
If you really care about the small vendor then perhaps you should not give baulk discount to larger vendors. This way the small vendor can make a decent profit as well.

 

[demma]

Can you push order Q531142097, please?
Thanks.

 

[HumanDude]

HumanDude, thanks for your message again.
We and all other Dayan retailers did sign the agreement and honestly keep our words, none hypocritical.
You keep calling Lightake "dishonest", when YOU are the dishonest one. They were selling it for an honest price, appealing to consumers and at the same time reaping profit. Your store is the dishonest one, for example selling a DIY GuHong for the ridiculous price of $14.

Please don't use "force". I say again, none can force others to do anything.
If you control the water supply in a desert, raising the price is indeed forcing others to pay more.

Apart from my wholesales business, I also have a web store in which I have them all at the agreed official prices.
If you already make money supplying cubes to other resellers, then why even bother with retail? A good business specializes in what they are best at and hones that to perfection.

If I break the rules myself and set the price GuHong for below 7 dollars ( off-course I can and also earn money ),
Then by all means do so. It'll only get you more customers.

but this certainly under-cut and hurt all other Dayan retailers worldwide.
And, I don't want see that all other Dayan retailers go bankrupt and lose their jobs to nurture their families. They have father, mother, may also have kids at your ages. If you are one of the kids, then.
You say that you don't want to hurt other retailers, and yet here you are forcing Lightake to raise their prices and (attemting to make them) lose customers. Business is about making a profit, not about being nice to your competition.

That is very poor and mismerable. Thousands of complaint will also come then.
Thanks for your time.

You are always referring to "Mr. Dayan" as being very angry at Lightake's prices. Why? This is after he sells them to resellers, so he does not lose any money. By having low prices, more customers will buy, ultimately resulting in more money for him. Thus, it is evident that you are simply abusing your position as supplier to other resellers to make more money. However, with high prices of your own, combined with the damage to your reputation from this fiasco, you will end up losing customers.

 

[theace]

Have even considered how many cubers you are affecting? There are shops who buy in bulk from lightake BECAUSE of their cheap prices. Take mine for example. I run on a no profit basis simply because we can't afford cubes in India. Lightake has great bulk prices for us. If they are forced to raise their prices, I shut shop. So you are most certainly affecting ME and SEVERAL other people like me.

 

[HumanDude]

Have even considered how many cubers you are affecting? There are shops who buy in bulk from lightake BECAUSE of their cheap prices. Take mine for example. I run on a no profit basis simply because we can't afford cubes in India. Lightake has great bulk prices for us. If they are forced to raise their prices, I shut shop. So you are most certainly affecting ME and SEVERAL other people like me.

Same with me. I buy cubes for my friends from Lightake. With the wholesale discount and coupon codes, the prices were very low, and so my friends could get cheap cubes. Now, it'll be hard to justify the price, especially for the majority of my customers who are new to cubing and just buying them as their first cubes.

 

[Stefan]

selling a DIY GuHong for the ridiculous price of $14

I think my spoiled brat alarm just went off...

$14 for a good cube with free worldwide shipping is an absolutely ok price.

Now, it'll be hard to justify the price, especially for the majority of my customers who are new to cubing and just buying them as their first cubes.

Cause those are the ones who know the earlier lower prices?

 

[Ltsurge]

calm it down!!!
everybody has their own opinions and if humandude wants to see it his way then let him
besides im a noob and i don't think the prices are unreasonable
a rubiks sb is 20$ where i live so 14$ with free shipping... !!!!!!
if only i was allowed to buy online

 

[HumanDude]

I think my spoiled brat alarm just went off...

$14 for a good cube with free worldwide shipping is an absolutely ok price.



Cause those are the ones who know the earlier lower prices?

$14 is fine only if I need it urgently and am buying from the US. It's obvious that the cost of mass producing one is FAR below $14, with a company able to profit off selling one for $7 or less, and if I'm buying one with cheap, snail-paced shipping from China and poor customer service, it should be more reasonably priced.

Also, for a cuber, $14 is "$7 more expensive than I could buy one for before". For a non-cuber, it's "$14 more than I've ever spent on cubing". They're not "the ones who know the earlier lower prices", they're "the ones who can't really justify investing in a good cube instead of buying a dollar-store cube, when they don't even know if they'll continue to pursue cubing.".

 

[Nestor]

Funny how Dayan is now doing to LT something similar to what Verdes tried to do to him. The consumers? We knew which side to take then, we know which side to take now.

 

[Stefan]

$14 is fine only if I need it urgently and am buying from the US. It's obvious that the cost of mass producing one is FAR below $14, with a company able to profit off selling one for $7 or less, and if I'm buying one with cheap, snail-paced shipping from China and poor customer service, it should be more reasonably priced.

Ah, sorry, I forgot that you're the center of the universe.

(which of course explains why the same price in China and USA means the China price is ridiculous and the USA price is awesome, because the Chinese with the the exact opposite viewpoint simply don't count)

Also, for a cuber, $14 is "$7 more expensive than I could buy one for before"

Yeah, like I said - spoiled. Prices like $14 are perfectly alright and we used to have them for years without anybody complaining.

Makes me wonder how long it'll take until people demand that cubes should be free :confused:

 

[HumanDude]

Ah, sorry, I forgot that you're the center of the universe.

(which of course explains why the same price in China and USA means the China price is ridiculous and the USA price is awesome, because the Chinese with the the exact opposite viewpoint simply don't count)

Calvin says that other retailers cannot compete. No. They can still compete on factors other than price, such as convenience. When I buy from the US, I am paying for the convenience of faster shipping, as well as better customer service. We see, for example, that GuHongs from speedcubingstore.com are $10, plus $3 shipping (free shipping on orders to the US over $50). $10 is okay, and I'd probably pay $13 if I was buying one for myself and needed one urgently (If I buy for myself, I absorb some of the cost from my "enjoyment of the cube").

Yeah, like I said - spoiled. Prices like $14 are perfectly alright and we used to have them for years without anybody complaining.

Makes me wonder how long it'll take until people demand that cubes should be free :confused:

Why does wanting a fair price make me spoiled? I know that they can make a profit selling GuHongs for $8.12 plus other discounts, so why don't other stores do so to get more customers?
$14 prices are somewhat tolerable for certain cubes. The GuHong, however, has traditionally settled in the bottom of the price range for the $10-15 cubes.

And I'd never demand free cubes. I just want cubes down to what I know are fairer prices.

 

[Stefan]

We see, for example, that GuHongs from speedcubingstore.com are $10

We do? I don't. Please show me.

Why does wanting a fair price make me spoiled?

You're spoiled by the low prices that some sellers can afford. That does NOT mean that sellers who can't afford it are ridiculous unfair evil bastards.

I know that they can make a profit selling GuHongs for $8.12 plus other discounts, so why don't other stores do so to get more customers?

Maybe because other stores don't have the resources for that, or need to earn more money? Does the speedcubingstore.com owner pay his rent and food and that of his children with his profits? Do you? Come back and share your opinion when you do.