What algorithm could I use instead of F (R U R' U') F'?

Rpotts said:
^ in my opinion the algs for that case are often the worst to use if you just care about edge oll.

to summarize

O2.gif

F (R U R' U') F' f (R U R' U') f'

O48.gif

F (U R U' R') F'
or
y2 f (R U R' U') f'

O51.gif

F (R U R' U') F'
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You switched the 2nd and 3rd images :P The algs for image 2 go with image 3, and vice versa :P
 
Kirjava said:
This is wrong.
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[12:04] <+Kirjava> also
[12:04] <+Kirjava> you said sometimes dot cases are unavoidable
[12:04] <+Kirjava> you are wrong
[12:04] <+Kirjava> UR WRONG
[12:04] <+Kirjava> snyder would be ashamed
[12:05] <+j`ey> where id he say that?
[12:05] <+Kirjava> on la forumz
[12:05] <+j`ey> ofc dot cases are always avoidable >_>
[12:05] <+Kirjava> yeah
[12:05] <+Kirjava> I was like
[12:05] <+Kirjava> WTF
[12:06] <+billnye> protip: avoid them.
[12:06] <+Kirjava> ZB or VH or simple partial edge controol
[12:07] <Reese_> Kirjava: please direct me to where i said some dot cases are unavoidable
[12:07] <Reese_> i said some suck
[12:07] <+j`ey> I guess this is a bit different
[12:07] <+j`ey> but still
[12:07] <+j`ey> "Sometimes it's unavoidable in solves. I've had a few where I'm forced into a dot case. "
[12:07] <Reese_> if you have the f2l pair broken up every time
[12:07] <Reese_> you can't sledge or w/e
[12:07] <+j`ey> I dont think he meant literally unavoidable
[12:07] <Reese_> ofc not
[12:07] <+Kirjava> then why say it?
[12:07] <Reese_> they obviously don't know zbf2l
[12:07] <+Kirjava> "I never said unavoidable"
[12:07] <+j`ey> Reese_: yeah so you do a diff alg >_>
[12:08] <+Kirjava> "Yes you did"
[12:08] <+Kirjava> "well I didn't mean it"
[12:08] <+billnye> Kirjava: ;D
[12:08] <+Kirjava> **** YOU AND YOUR SHITTY MIND
[12:08] <Reese_> for normal users, they either insert with R U R' or whatever variation, or they sledge
[12:08] <Reese_> most don't know zbf2l algs. that hershey guy only avoids a dot by cheating
[12:08] <Reese_> pairing then setting up to a sledge
[12:09] <+j`ey> thats not cheating
[12:09] <Reese_> ..it's stupid to do it that way
[12:09] <+Kirjava> anyway
[12:09] <+j`ey> why?
[12:09] <+Kirjava> UR WRONG
[12:09] <+Kirjava> deal with it
[12:09] <Reese_> extra moves just to avoid a dot, he wanted to save moves but in reality he probably woudln't be
[12:10] <+j`ey> I should stop avodiing dot cases
[12:10] <+j`ey> I know them now
[12:10] <+Kirjava> Reese_: so?
[12:10] <+Kirjava> Reese_: how is this relevant?
[12:10] <Reese_> that was hersheys reasoning
[12:10] <Reese_> <__<
[12:10] <+Kirjava> Reese_: so?
[12:10] <+Kirjava> Reese_: how is this relevant?
[12:10] <Reese_> i'm explaining why it was stupid for him to do extra moves just to avoid it
[12:11] <+billnye> clarity, Kirjava... "relevant to what you actually said?"*
[12:11] <+Kirjava> yeah
[12:11] <+Kirjava> I don't get why you're talking about something different all of a sudden
[12:11] <Reese_> what's different?
[12:12] <Reese_> i'm still talking about dot cases
[12:12] <+Kirjava> "some are unavoidable"
[12:12] <+Kirjava> "no they aren't"
[12:12] <+Kirjava> "I didn't mean unavoidable"
[12:12] <+Kirjava> "that's stupid"
[12:12] <Reese_> you're quoting me wrong.
[12:12] <+billnye> Reese_: here's my turn to help you... I don't think anybody disagreed with what you didn't say ;)
[12:12] <+Kirjava> "i'm explaining why it was stupid for him to do extra moves just to avoid it
[12:12] <+Kirjava> "???"
[12:13] <Reese_> if you know algs for zbf2l or whatever than ofc you can avoid dots
[12:13] <Reese_> my point being most nubs don't know
[12:13] <+Kirjava> so?
[12:13] <Reese_> <__,
[12:13] <Reese_> are you acting dumb?
[12:13] <+Kirjava> you said some are unavoidable
[12:13] <Reese_> in solves
[12:13] <+Kirjava> they are not
[12:13] <+Kirjava> ?!
[12:13] <+billnye> ohhhh, IN SOLVES! we thought you meant--owait
[12:14] <Reese_> if you don't know algs, then yes they are unavoidable, if you have f2l where you can't do partial edge control your sol
[12:14] <Reese_> i siad in solves
[12:14] <Reese_> kirs been misquoting
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[12:14] <+Kirjava> huh?
[12:14] <+billnye> Reese_: I was being facetious... "in solves" doesn't change anything
[12:14] <Reese_> look at my post in the thread
[12:14] <+Kirjava> no
[12:14] <+statue> DavidWoner, you logged on skype and # within like a second of each other :p
[12:14] <+Kirjava> there is no case where you need an alg to avoid dots
[12:14] <+Kirjava> I don't even have a cube on me right now
[12:15] <Reese_> FR slot. Insertion is R U R'
[12:15] <+Kirjava> and I'm confiddant if you gave me a case I could solve it
[12:15] <+billnye> lol "is"
[12:15] <+Kirjava> RU'R'U2sledge
[12:15] <Reese_> no doing what hershey did
[12:15] <Reese_> ya that..^
[12:15] <+Kirjava> huh?
[12:15] <Reese_> extra moves to avoid it. stupid
[12:15] <+statue> lolol
[12:15] <+Kirjava> ?!?!
[12:15] <+billnye> stupid != impossible
[12:15] <+Kirjava> "no doing extra moves"
[12:15] <+Kirjava> what... the ****
[12:16] <+billnye> as this conversation has demonstrated
[12:16] <Reese_> it defeats the purpose
[12:16] <+statue> Reese_, construe your entire point in one sentance, please, so we can just kill this argument.
[12:16] <+Kirjava> he already did
[12:16] <Reese_> brings me back to my original point of saying it's stupid to avoid a dot case with 5 extra moves, when the diff oll you get is most likely more moves anyway (in combination with the 5
[12:16] <+billnye> Reese_ is defending what he didn't say but meant, and Kir never attacked what he DIDN'T say
[12:16] <Reese_> billnye: what did'nt i say but meant?
[12:16] <+billnye> in other words, stupid is very possible
[12:16] * statue not in this
[12:17] <Reese_> no it's just stupid to add 5 moves to avoid a dot case
[12:17] <Reese_> to "save moves"
[12:17] <+DavidWoner> just learn CLLEF
[12:17] <Reese_> nubs don't know that
[12:17] <+DavidWoner> statue: yeah, learn2autologon
[12:17] <Reese_> hershey guy in the thread obv doesn't
[12:17] <+billnye> Reese_: you didn't say "sometimes you shouldn't avoid dot cases", you said "sometimes [they're] unavoidable in solves"
[12:17] <+statue> DavidWoner, is there any one-page documentation? Couldn't find.
[12:17] <+DavidWoner> or just learn to not suck at dot cases
[12:17] <Reese_> no **** unless you do something stupid like add 5 moves
[12:18] <+statue> they're just kinda spread everywhere
[12:18] <Reese_> sometimes you have the f2l pair broken up
[12:18] <Reese_> DavidWoner: ++
[12:18] <+DavidWoner> rowan generated good algs for all cases then didn't write them down
[12:18] <+billnye> you MEANT shouldn't, you SAID can't
[12:18] <+DavidWoner> he learned them all and then forgot them like 2 weeks later
[12:18] <Reese_> billnye: basically yes.
[12:18] <+j`ey> billnye is like a godsend
[12:18] <Reese_> billnye: just basically summarized it.
[12:18] <Reese_> </argument>
[12:18] <+Kirjava> Reese_: just reply to me on the forum
[12:19] <Reese_> k
[12:19] <+Kirjava> I'll rip you apart there
[12:19] <Reese_> ^^
 
Sarah: F (U R U' R')x2 F' sets up case 2 from a solved state, and solves case 3 from the image shown on case 3.

Ryan: This isn't the first time you said something other than what you meant. You should work on that, honestly.
 
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