New alg for V using T

[Michiel van der Blonk]

I recently discovered a nice alg based on T for a V on the back.
L'U'LUL'RUR'U'R'FR2U'R'U'RUR'F'LU'L'UL
What do you think?

 

[RyanReese09]

Move count is too high for me to want to change, you'd need 24+TPS to sub1. Much harder.

 

[Dene]

That set up is not very nice with the L' R. Overall, way too many moves.

 

[Michiel van der Blonk]

well, agreed, instead of nice I should've put interesting. I don't use it myself but I found it interesting anyway.

 

[musicninja17]

I couldn't say really....i hate pulling any akward combos of L and U....i'm very right hand dominant,working to fix that.

 

[whauk]

you can save a move:
L'U'LUxUR'U'R'FR2U'R'U'RUR'F'lU'L'UL
i think this is nice for teaching full PLL to beginners.
i remember some people i taught having a hard time learning that R' U R' d'... alg
and for them its still faster than using Y+U

 

[maggot]

this reminds me of the J perm conjugate F perms. they're ok, at first. there are many algs that are better than it. another example is the E perm. there is an easy to remember one (R2 U sexy sexy sexy one), and then the l U' R' D one. not really easy to remember until you get the tricks down pat, but its WAY faster.

as for the interesting factor, it might be interesting for a beginner trying to learn easy to remember PLLs.

 

[Andrew Ricci]

another example is the E perm. there is an easy to remember one (R2 U sexy sexy sexy one), and then the l U' R' D one. not really easy to remember until you get the tricks down pat, but its WAY faster.

Really? I found that E Perm easy to remember. It's just two simple commutators.

 

[Godmil]

Oh darn I had my hopes up here, I love the F that is the conjugated T perm, and was hoping for a good V like it, but that's just too big and awkward. someone else posted a similar one using just R's U's and the Tperm the other day, but it too was massive.

Still, thanks for trying.

 

[amostay2004]

For V from the back you can always do L' U L' U' y' R' F' R2 U' R' U R' F R F
It can be fast if you do the first U' with right index finger push. Well I don't use it cos I can't do it fast nor can I recognise V perm from the back easily, but it has potential

 

[ninjabob7]

I think there's nothing wrong with the normal V-perm. R' U R' d'... is one of my favorite PLLs. Anyone else agree?

 

[Joël]

Alg > God's algorithm doesn't seem to be a very good idea.

 

[uberCuber]

Alg > God's algorithm doesn't seem to be a very good idea.

same reason I have always thought that the conjugated-Jperm alg for N-perm is just stupid

 

[DavidWoner]

i think this is nice for teaching full PLL to beginners.
i remember some people i taught having a hard time learning that R' U R' d'... alg
and for them its still faster than using Y+U

This sort of approach is horrible in the long run. They are going to need a good alg eventually, they should learn something good in the first place.

 

[ruff48]

I think there's nothing wrong with the normal V-perm. R' U R' d'... is one of my favorite PLLs. Anyone else agree?

Yeah I use this one too and it flows nicely.

 

[hic0057]

Just checked the Wiki at the V perm and found a nice looking one that is 2 gen R' U R' U' y z' U' R U' R' U2 y' R' U' R U R x

Besides the rotations looks nice

 

[RyanReese09]

Just checked the Wiki at the V perm and found a nice looking one that is 2 gen R' U R' U' y z' U' R U' R' U2 y' R' U' R U R x

Besides the rotations looks nice

Nice for OH.

 

[EVH]

Just checked the Wiki at the V perm and found a nice looking one that is 2 gen R' U R' U' y z' U' R U' R' U2 y' R' U' R U R x

Besides the rotations looks nice

Too many rotations for my liking.

 

[hic0057]

Too many rotations for my liking.

IF you add some d turns in it would lower some of the rotations

 

[riffz]

This sort of approach is horrible in the long run. They are going to need a good alg eventually, they should learn something good in the first place.

I somewhat agree. Teaching someone a bad alg because it's easy to memorize just means they'll be reluctant to learn a faster one. It's also a waste of their time in the long run.