Full ZBLL or Basic ZBLL?

Full ZBLL or Basic ZBLL?

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Full ZBLL is 494 algorithms.
With mirrors, its 270, because some cases don't reflect.
However, with a few tricks, my algorithm list is around 240.

With my tricks and mirrors, I can solve any ZBLL case with only 240 algs.
The mirrored cases are slow, costing me time.

Should I practice my left hand until i become ambidextrous to a degree?

OR...

Should I continue and learn full ZBLL?


I'm getting tired of learning algorithms, and I'm not sure which would be faster.
My frustration biases my opinion, so I was hoping for the opinion of the forum~
 
Chris, after the 2003 world competition I decided to start practicing with my left hand. Previous to this I was completely right handed in cubing, my left hand only gripped the cube. Even U' triggers with my left index was something I never did.

Now, after 6 years of practice with my left hand, some of my algs are faster right handed and some faster left handed. My right hand tends to be more the "power" hand, so harder triggers or longer triggers with more turns are faster righty for me usually. My left hand is much more dextrous with delicate triggers, or ones that require higher turning accuracy.

So for example, my left hand is consistently faster at T, J, and R perms. However, my right hand has always and continues to be faster at U, Z, and A perms.

It blows my mind that people sometimes don't even use their left hand for the J, T, and R perms - they are SO fast lefty!

Just my opinion of course, but I would say start ASAP with your left hand and give it 6 months. I can't believe I used to be unidextrous with my cubing it's been so long that I've used both hands for PLLs now.

Chris
 
Ah!
Everyone is exactly right.

Wow, Chris, I had no idea! I've got to try using my left hand more. o:

I think I'll practice with mirrors for now, and gradually introduce algorithms over time. Whilst keeping the ones which are fast lefty. (quite a few of the algorithms are a balance of L and R faces, Ex: R, U2, R2, L', U2, L, U, L', U2, R2, U', M')
 
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I agree with Chris - I started with both hands... I mirrored all my algs so basically I do them all both left and right handed including T, J, R, but with both Left and Right hand. I DO find that my J is faster with my Left hand, but T is faster with my right. OLL's are pretty consistent with both though.

(Granted I struggle to get sub-18 on most days, so I don't know how much credence you should pay on my experience)

Anyway - for me it's helped, but I was ambidextrous before I started cubing too.
 
Regular people try so hard and get so far, and in the end it doesn't even matter.

Cubers try so hard and get so far, and in the end, it always matters.

Make it matter.
 
I'm interested what kind of tricks do you use to reduce the number of algorithms to 240. Do you use setup-moves like if the CE-pair at ULF-UF is solved, then you can do F *some algorithm* F' to solve another case? Have you done some analysis how many algorithms you need to know, if you allow yourself one setup-move?
 
mmm I think you should just finish your hax way first and slowly replace algs after you get your recognition right :)
I had to learn quite a number of algs for big cubes and I learnt all the noob ones (or whatever that I can find) first, and slowly I replaced most of the crappy algorithms after I mastered the recognition and when to execute them...and so on...

good luck in learning the rest of the cases :3
 
Stini said:
I'm interested what kind of tricks do you use to reduce the number of algorithms to 240. Do you use setup-moves like if the CE-pair at ULF-UF is solved, then you can do F *some algorithm* F' to solve another case? Have you done some analysis how many algorithms you need to know, if you allow yourself one setup-move?
Click to expand...

I have read that post with Robert and Johannes talking about that, but nopers, I don't do that, though I should.


It's like a trade secret. I have a few of them. ;)
 
Yes, you should learn the algorithms, but maybe work on your mirrors for a bit & take a break from algorithm learning for a week or 2 or month or year...
 
Cyrus C. said:
Yes, you should learn the algorithms, but maybe work on your mirrors for a bit & take a break from algorithm learning for a week or 2 or month or year...
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BREAK?!
PREPOSTEROUS. O_o

Joking, joking. But partially serious. With sub-15 becoming the new sub-20, I need to get as fast as possible in the least amount of time.
 
Cubes=Life said:
With sub-15 becoming the new sub-20, I need to get as fast as possible in the least amount of time.
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And I think it's safe to say that sub-12 is the new sub-15 :-S

Good luck on your crazy awesome ZBLL ridiculousness! I'm totally on team Tran for this one!

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I'm not sure of Jason Baum's status for ZBLL, but I should also mention that I count myself on team Baum as well! I don't think it should be a competition per se between you guys, but rather a collaboration of you guys trying to really bring ZB into the forefront. I'm just the ZB groupie I guess is what I am trying to say ;)

Chris
 
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I don't mean this to be rude- I really am curious. What's the point in learning ZB? Is it speed? Fewest moves? Or just to show it can be done?
 
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