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amateurguy
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I hope we don't hit the logical fallacy of guilt by association (because I notice the topic is sliding in that direction). Just because Yish and his eye-patch bro are Singaporean doesn't mean all Singaporeans are liars at speeducbing.
For one, I have a cousin who lives there and is learning to speedcube. I've checked on him and he's learning great actually. And he doesn't set up his scrambles.
And I'm very sure there are Singaporean forum members here who might get offended with stuff like 'WCA must be warned of Singaporean cubing competitions'.
But, on the other hand, nice investigative work and sleuth-like deduction, Mr. Pochmann.
For one, I have a cousin who lives there and is learning to speedcube. I've checked on him and he's learning great actually. And he doesn't set up his scrambles.
And I'm very sure there are Singaporean forum members here who might get offended with stuff like 'WCA must be warned of Singaporean cubing competitions'.
But, on the other hand, nice investigative work and sleuth-like deduction, Mr. Pochmann.
Wow, nice lol.
There are two things that got him:
1. 25 move scramble.
2. Claiming the wrong method.
WHAT HE COULD HAVE DONE TO COVER THIS UP BETTER:
1. Select a PLL case that is its own inverse and perform it on the cube.
2. Select an OLL Case which undoes only the corners.
3. At least take the liberty to look up a ZBF2L alg and perform it on the last slot, practice executing it.
4. Undo the other 3 slots backwards.
5. Undo the cross 4 or 5 moves.
6. Look at the currently "scrambled" case and go to a Cube Generator and plug in the stickers. It should give you a solve/unscramble.
7. HERES HIS PROBLEM: TOO LITTLE MOVES. Lets say it give him 23 moves like it did.
Now, all he needed was 2 more moves for a legit scramble. Now, go back and redo your cross, and pick 2 random moves, say L2 F.
Make your cube so the first thing you apply is L2 F', and design it so it cooperates in solving your cross. This shouldnt be too hard.
He should also practise unscrambling it.
There are two things that got him:
1. 25 move scramble.
2. Claiming the wrong method.
WHAT HE COULD HAVE DONE TO COVER THIS UP BETTER:
1. Select a PLL case that is its own inverse and perform it on the cube.
2. Select an OLL Case which undoes only the corners.
3. At least take the liberty to look up a ZBF2L alg and perform it on the last slot, practice executing it.
4. Undo the other 3 slots backwards.
5. Undo the cross 4 or 5 moves.
6. Look at the currently "scrambled" case and go to a Cube Generator and plug in the stickers. It should give you a solve/unscramble.
7. HERES HIS PROBLEM: TOO LITTLE MOVES. Lets say it give him 23 moves like it did.
Now, all he needed was 2 more moves for a legit scramble. Now, go back and redo your cross, and pick 2 random moves, say L2 F.
Make your cube so the first thing you apply is L2 F', and design it so it cooperates in solving your cross. This shouldnt be too hard.
He should also practise unscrambling it.
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chue.hsien
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well, looks like i'm gonna be in the fray soon. and saying that sgcubers cheat juz isnt the way to go. make sure u eat ur words back in the future if he does a sub 13 at wca competition.
OR
He could make up a 25 move scramble of his own, which has a relatively easy extended cross, (this shouldn't be too hard either, with some thinking).
Now, All you have to do is look up the cases for advanced multi-slotting for the first 2, the ZBF2L case for the last slot, and ZBLL for the last layer and you're good.
I average 25 seconds, I can only hope to have this method down someday.
He could make up a 25 move scramble of his own, which has a relatively easy extended cross, (this shouldn't be too hard either, with some thinking).
Now, All you have to do is look up the cases for advanced multi-slotting for the first 2, the ZBF2L case for the last slot, and ZBLL for the last layer and you're good.
I average 25 seconds, I can only hope to have this method down someday.
ExoCorsair
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You know, I personally would take you a lot more seriously if you wrote legibly. (and I'm pretty sure I'm not the only one...)
By looking at what member "yish" has posted, it is pretty obvious that he is trying to fool us, do you not see that? I have also requested that he posts a video of an avg of 5, just so we can get an idea of how good he is, and maybe even gain some tips. Of course, both times he comes up with an excuse. Yes, there are time where you can't post an avg video (which is understandable), but if you can't post something to prove yourself, why even post these amazing times? What do you gain by doing so? There is a valid reason to be suspicious.
On the other hand, if he can really do that, why not come out with an avg video, legit, and not only post videos of the bogus times?
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How about this? Give him 5 scrambles that we've randomly generated, and then ask him to tape an (unbroken) average of 5 video. The best he'd be able to do is memorize those solves, and even if that were the case he couldn't get a sub-12 average of 5 unless he was already very fast at turning to begin with. So if his average is any good (and the video isn't sped up or anything) he's got to be legitimate.
CorwinShiu
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yish said:
Is a sub 13 cuber asking if it's possible to solve the cube with a repeated series of predetermined moves despite different scrambles? This is ridiculous. And also, the video of his brother doing 5 Fridrich BLD solves with memo of 3 minutes? The 3-look OLL just gave it away, remembering all the pieces affected by the moves orientation AND permutations. Also, what's with the cube rotations BEFORE you start solving? Generally (more like all), cubers would start with the preferred position so they don't have to memorize the rotation?
philkt731
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You know what would be the funniest thing ever? if these guys were actually legit all along...
CorwinShiu
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If these guys are legit, I'll quit speedcubing and mail my cubes to one of you guys.
Dyste
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I don't think this is something to quit over. But in any case, I call "dibs". JK.(unless we're not kidding)
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Those forum posts are hilarious, let me just say.
Dyste
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This has turned into such a sordid discourse.
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I think it's pretty zany actually, his posts on the forum seem so bizarre
Dyste
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Well, the generalizations of the integrity of certain inhabitants of areas isn't.
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optakeover
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I'm also a Singaporean cuber who is learning speedcubing with them. I'm really new to the community and I myself don't know the full story as well. I also choose not to believe that he can solve 5 cubes blindfolded. Maybe I'll personally ask him when we meet up again...
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Hi, I'm a Singaporean Cuber too... well, I don't know if Yish and his brother are legit or not, can't tell for sure. I've seen that BLD multiple solve myself, but I can't comment much on it as I don't know much about BLD solving. Those two aside, I'm sure of one thing. Not all of us Singaporean cubers are as unscrupulous as what some of those who replied to this have made us out to be. We're really just a group of cubers striving to be better and enjoying the hobby, hanging out and just having fun. I don't think such discriminating comments are fair at all. Perhaps it's just the hype of all this discussion that's causing the feelings of discrimination to arise. "I hope we don't hit the logical fallacy of guilt by association (because I notice the topic is sliding in that direction). Just because Yish and his eye-patch bro are Singaporean doesn't mean all Singaporeans are liars at speeducbing." How true. In my opinion, we gotta let things cool down a bit, forgive and forget yeah. Cubing was never meant to be taken this seriously. Hate me all you want, but these are just my two cents. Peace.
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optakeover
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I agree. Look guys, I'm neutral on this, although I voice my disbelief for the 5 cube blindfold. But, @StefanPochmann: I discourage you marginalizing Singaporeans just because you think all of us are cheaters and liars. From what I make out whatever you've said, you have absolutely no faith in the abilities of us. I may be new to cubing and even newer to this forums, but let me tell you that I'm only 16 years old but I'm mature enough to say that you're childish to astigmatise us in an opinion that we are not legitimate. Cubing should be used to bring people together on a single platform as a community, not to destroy people whom you believe are cheating and try to build a tenable ground to prove his fault. Wouldn't it suffice to just tell him not to? I can guarantee you that if I really know that he cheated during his 7 second solve and 5 cube blindfold movie, I will voice my honest opinion against it, but for that I'd have to see it for myself, and I don't have the chance. If need be, I'll make my own video evidence to prove his ability or if he is really cheating, to prove that he is.
Let me reiterate and add that you can voice your opinion and lay down whatever evidence to prove that he's cheating but,
is totally uncalled for.
Let me reiterate and add that you can voice your opinion and lay down whatever evidence to prove that he's cheating but,
is totally uncalled for.
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optakeover
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As a second reply,
YOU ARE MISUNDERSTANDING MY PURPOSE OF MY POST. My intention was to tell people about how to use it. It is not to prove whatever claim that yish was cheating whatsoever.
"You can also use the software [Cube Explorer] to reverse the solving, to show you how form a clean cube you are able to obtain the pattern that you input into the facelet editor."
If cube explorer doesn't work like that, SOMETHING IS WRONG.
PLEASE let me clear the air about the post by pasting whatever that I mentioned at http://sgcubers.com/forum/index.php?topic=24.0:
http://kociemba.org/cube.htm
This is by far the most powerful cube solver that I have come across. It has also made its way to power a 'Cube-solving robot', Rubot II which you can see on Youtube. This software has the ability to solve the cube in about 18+ moves (depending on the settings, can also be 18, 25...). To us, using all the Fridrich, Petrus and other systems, solving a cube has very little maths(and IQ, really) involved, just sets of memorized manouveres called 'algorithms'. However, the creator of the software explains that the software has a mathematical explanation behind it. Hmmm....
The software has a Facelet editor, which is basically a cube with which you can paint in the pattern of your unsolved cube. It can proceed to examine the cube and supply a set of moves to solve the cube('Add and solve' button). You can also use the software to reverse the solving, to show you how form a clean cube you are able to obtain the pattern that you input into the facelet editor.(of course, in about 18+ moves as well. 'Add and generate' button.)
The software also has an 'Optimal solver' which attempts to solve the cube in less than 18 moves, unlike the normal 'Two-phase algorithm' mode. However, it takes a long time for it to map the moves, unless the cube has an easy scramble. It does have a 'Huge Optimal solver' that can cut the Optimal solving time by half. The software does say that you need 1 Gb of RAM, 673 MB free space in the software's directory and even recommends a 'just-rebooted' system before using it. For my computer, it doesn't meet the requirements, but it seems that the software greys out the checkbox so I can't seem to turn it on anyway...
It also has a pattern editor, but I'll leave it to you to experiment with it. The web cam feature allows you to use a robot with the software...
THE REASON WHY I'M SAYING ALL THESE IS BECAUSE THAT STEFANPOCHMANN IS INDIRECTLY CLAIMING THAT I'M LIAISED WITH YISH IN HIS 'CHEATING' EFFORTS.
This is inappropriate:
Now, disregard Yish's post. If you take a look here: http://sgcubers.com/forum/index.php?action=profile;u=47,
you noticed that I joined the forums on 2 December 2007, and if you look here: http://sgcubers.com/forum/index.php?topic=24.0, my post was also dated 2 December 2007. In fact, this thread was started by me AFTER I SIGNED UP WITH THE FORUMS. If Stefan was so meticulous in his investigations, why did he get the date wrong?
I know there are such things like International Date Line (which is a bit irrelevant, it's just for the sake of saying) and the difference in time zones between Singapore and the United States. But 3 days dfference is just ridiculous. Therefore, if Stefan was not making any mistake at all, he must be mistaken to QUOTE ME.
YOU ARE MISUNDERSTANDING MY PURPOSE OF MY POST. My intention was to tell people about how to use it. It is not to prove whatever claim that yish was cheating whatsoever.
"You can also use the software [Cube Explorer] to reverse the solving, to show you how form a clean cube you are able to obtain the pattern that you input into the facelet editor."
If cube explorer doesn't work like that, SOMETHING IS WRONG.
PLEASE let me clear the air about the post by pasting whatever that I mentioned at http://sgcubers.com/forum/index.php?topic=24.0:
http://kociemba.org/cube.htm
This is by far the most powerful cube solver that I have come across. It has also made its way to power a 'Cube-solving robot', Rubot II which you can see on Youtube. This software has the ability to solve the cube in about 18+ moves (depending on the settings, can also be 18, 25...). To us, using all the Fridrich, Petrus and other systems, solving a cube has very little maths(and IQ, really) involved, just sets of memorized manouveres called 'algorithms'. However, the creator of the software explains that the software has a mathematical explanation behind it. Hmmm....
The software has a Facelet editor, which is basically a cube with which you can paint in the pattern of your unsolved cube. It can proceed to examine the cube and supply a set of moves to solve the cube('Add and solve' button). You can also use the software to reverse the solving, to show you how form a clean cube you are able to obtain the pattern that you input into the facelet editor.(of course, in about 18+ moves as well. 'Add and generate' button.)
The software also has an 'Optimal solver' which attempts to solve the cube in less than 18 moves, unlike the normal 'Two-phase algorithm' mode. However, it takes a long time for it to map the moves, unless the cube has an easy scramble. It does have a 'Huge Optimal solver' that can cut the Optimal solving time by half. The software does say that you need 1 Gb of RAM, 673 MB free space in the software's directory and even recommends a 'just-rebooted' system before using it. For my computer, it doesn't meet the requirements, but it seems that the software greys out the checkbox so I can't seem to turn it on anyway...
It also has a pattern editor, but I'll leave it to you to experiment with it. The web cam feature allows you to use a robot with the software...
THE REASON WHY I'M SAYING ALL THESE IS BECAUSE THAT STEFANPOCHMANN IS INDIRECTLY CLAIMING THAT I'M LIAISED WITH YISH IN HIS 'CHEATING' EFFORTS.
This is inappropriate:
StefanPochmann said:
Now, disregard Yish's post. If you take a look here: http://sgcubers.com/forum/index.php?action=profile;u=47,
you noticed that I joined the forums on 2 December 2007, and if you look here: http://sgcubers.com/forum/index.php?topic=24.0, my post was also dated 2 December 2007. In fact, this thread was started by me AFTER I SIGNED UP WITH THE FORUMS. If Stefan was so meticulous in his investigations, why did he get the date wrong?
StefanPochmann said:
I know there are such things like International Date Line (which is a bit irrelevant, it's just for the sake of saying) and the difference in time zones between Singapore and the United States. But 3 days dfference is just ridiculous. Therefore, if Stefan was not making any mistake at all, he must be mistaken to QUOTE ME.
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