9x9?

[4Chan]

I even know how and why it works mathematically on a cortesian grid.

Wow, you really tried hard to look knowledgeable there.

Cartesian.

 

[Corpsez]

Dang wef..

 

[PatrickJameson]

This isn't JUST the internet. This is a community in which the internet just happens to be the medium in which we communicate. A lot of people here have seen people in this forum in real life and it should be the general mood of this forum that we are talking to each other in real life.

You all take everything i say too far out of context... I meant that the insult was just made due to the seemingly anonymous nature of the internet, and that you shouldn't take insults on the internet as seriously as if he had said it to my face, which he probably wouldn't have done... he probably would've said "what?" or "what are you talking about" or "dude... they're the same thing".

No, knowing Dan in real life, I believe that if you continued to disagree with him in this subject he would, in fact, call you an idiot.

 

[veazer]

I even know how and why it works mathematically on a cortesian grid.

Wow, you really tried hard to look knowledgeable there.

Cartesian.

wow... I can't spell... It is just one letter though.

 

[veazer]

This isn't JUST the internet. This is a community in which the internet just happens to be the medium in which we communicate. A lot of people here have seen people in this forum in real life and it should be the general mood of this forum that we are talking to each other in real life.

You all take everything i say too far out of context... I meant that the insult was just made due to the seemingly anonymous nature of the internet, and that you shouldn't take insults on the internet as seriously as if he had said it to my face, which he probably wouldn't have done... he probably would've said "what?" or "what are you talking about" or "dude... they're the same thing".

No, knowing Dan in real life, I believe that if you continued to disagree with him in this subject he would, in fact, call you an idiot.

But I never disagreed with him... he simply misinterpreted my point due to my terrible choice of the word "design" So it is my fault, but in real life this fault could be very easily remedied, whereas on the internet, it leads to major disscussion and me misspelling cartesian.

Just to clarify, instead of design, I meant specifics, as in manufacturing methods, raw materials used in the plastic, exact thicknesses of pieces, etc... not the general design which they would both obviously share.

 

[PatrickJameson]

This isn't JUST the internet. This is a community in which the internet just happens to be the medium in which we communicate. A lot of people here have seen people in this forum in real life and it should be the general mood of this forum that we are talking to each other in real life.

You all take everything i say too far out of context... I meant that the insult was just made due to the seemingly anonymous nature of the internet, and that you shouldn't take insults on the internet as seriously as if he had said it to my face, which he probably wouldn't have done... he probably would've said "what?" or "what are you talking about" or "dude... they're the same thing".

No, knowing Dan in real life, I believe that if you continued to disagree with him in this subject he would, in fact, call you an idiot.

But I never disagreed with him... he simply misinterpreted my point due to my terrible choice of the word "design." So it is my fault, but in real life this fault could be very easily remedied, whereas on the internet, it leads to major disscussion and me misspelling cartesian.

Well then that just goes back to this post: http://www.speedsolving.com/forum/showpost.php?p=195650&postcount=118

Hopefully you can learn to look over your posts to make sure that everything makes sense and nothing can be misinterpreted.

 

[veazer]

This isn't JUST the internet. This is a community in which the internet just happens to be the medium in which we communicate. A lot of people here have seen people in this forum in real life and it should be the general mood of this forum that we are talking to each other in real life.

You all take everything i say too far out of context... I meant that the insult was just made due to the seemingly anonymous nature of the internet, and that you shouldn't take insults on the internet as seriously as if he had said it to my face, which he probably wouldn't have done... he probably would've said "what?" or "what are you talking about" or "dude... they're the same thing".

No, knowing Dan in real life, I believe that if you continued to disagree with him in this subject he would, in fact, call you an idiot.

But I never disagreed with him... he simply misinterpreted my point due to my terrible choice of the word "design." So it is my fault, but in real life this fault could be very easily remedied, whereas on the internet, it leads to major disscussion and me misspelling cartesian.

Well then that just goes back to this post: http://www.speedsolving.com/forum/showpost.php?p=195650&postcount=118

Hopefully you can learn to look over your posts to make sure that everything makes sense and nothing can be misinterpreted.

I couldn't think of a good word to replace design, and it did make sense at the time... once someone commented and I looked back, it was a retarted post.

 

[Ethan Rosen]

This isn't JUST the internet. This is a community in which the internet just happens to be the medium in which we communicate. A lot of people here have seen people in this forum in real life and it should be the general mood of this forum that we are talking to each other in real life.

You all take everything i say too far out of context... I meant that the insult was just made due to the seemingly anonymous nature of the internet, and that you shouldn't take insults on the internet as seriously as if he had said it to my face, which he probably wouldn't have done... he probably would've said "what?" or "what are you talking about" or "dude... they're the same thing," at which time i would've explained what i meant by the word "design".

You don't seem to understand that this dispute is about far more than an internet flame war. This is about the livelihood and success of honest businessmen and inventors. The actions that people take on this one issue is going to have a much greater effect than who makes the first solve on youtube, or something equally stupid. It will effect the future production and success of new puzzles, and you are inadvertantly harming the entire community.

 

[anythingtwisty]

As I said before, this site needs a knockoff policy to prevent easy access to knockoffs and to discuss the serious implications of buying a knockoff puzzle knowingly. It could include not being allowed to post links to pages selling knockoffs. Buying knockoffs is bad for the consumer, original inventor, and for the puzzle market. This INCLUDES so-called "clefferts" 4x4x4s, as they are a blatant, unlicensed KO of the mefferts ones.

 

[Ethan Rosen]

This INCLUDES so-called "clefferts" 4x4x4s, as they are a blatant, unlicensed KO of the mefferts ones.

This is just a blatantly wrong statement

 

[anythingtwisty]

This INCLUDES so-called "clefferts" 4x4x4s, as they are a blatant, unlicensed KO of the mefferts ones.

This is just a blatantly wrong statement

Why don't you shoot off an email to Uwe Meffert and see what he thinks.

 

[AvGalen]

In situations like these, you should follow this analysis:

1) Has a patent been used?
2) Was the patentholder compensated?
3) Were any local laws broken?
4) Were any internation laws broken?

With the information that I have and the knowledge I have gathered, I guess the answers would be

1) Yes, the F9 is using the V-Patents.
2) No, Verdes didn't license this or gets compensated in any other way
3) I don't know for sure. It seems that this "might" be allowed in China
4) I don't know for sure. It seems to me that exporting it (to most other countries) is probably illegal

So as far as I know it would be illegal for almost everyone (except MAYBE the Chinese) to buy one. That also means that it isn't very useful debating about "Verdes losing money or not". Buying something that is illegal is bad, period.

That doesn't mean it isn't tempting though, so I hope that the F9 will become an officially licensed product soon and that we will see an official V9 on the market as well.

 

[Hadley4000]

Okay y'all, here are a few things.

1. Before I say this, I want to say that I will not buy the knockoff or official V9.

Almost every major brand has some sort of competition, it is a reality of sales. We knew this would happen. I would wager that a lot of people who would be buying the clone would either buy the V9 in addition, or not buy the V9 at all regardless.

 

[rachmaninovian]

i've felt both clefferts and mefferts 4x4s; they feel different. i've got no idea why???clefferts is crispier =P

v9's should be released soon so that i do not need to think of a way to get an F9.

 

[Kian]

In situations like these, you should follow this analysis:

1) Has a patent been used?
2) Was the patentholder compensated?
3) Were any local laws broken?
4) Were any internation laws broken?

With the information that I have and the knowledge I have gathered, I guess the answers would be

1) Yes, the F9 is using the V-Patents.
2) No, Verdes didn't license this or gets compensated in any other way
3) I don't know for sure. It seems that this "might" be allowed in China
4) I don't know for sure. It seems to me that exporting it (to most other countries) is probably illegal

So as far as I know it would be illegal for almost everyone (except MAYBE the Chinese) to buy one. That also means that it isn't very useful debating about "Verdes losing money or not". Buying something that is illegal is bad, period.

That doesn't mean it isn't tempting though, so I hope that the F9 will become an officially licensed product soon and that we will see an official V9 on the market as well.

About point three and four, the Chinese government is happy to look the other way, but as a member of WIPO, they should be upholding all patents and copyrights domestically as well as with exports.

 

[Paul Wagner]

This INCLUDES so-called "clefferts" 4x4x4s, as they are a blatant, unlicensed KO of the mefferts ones.

This is just a blatantly wrong statement

Why don't you shoot off an email to Uwe Meffert and see what he thinks.

Why don't you not argue with Ethan and look at another topic because he's right and you are wrong. And you don't know what you're talking about you just guessed.

& Arnaud: I posted a lot of similar ideas earlier in the forum, and I don't believe they sell internationally. I'm sure they know what they're doing & point 2 you are sure they have no plan worked out?

 

[royzabeast]

Okay y'all, here are a few things.

1. Before I say this, I want to say that I will not buy the knockoff or official V9.

Almost every major brand has some sort of competition, it is a reality of sales. We knew this would happen. I would wager that a lot of people who would be buying the clone would either buy the V9 in addition, or not buy the V9 at all regardless.

Competition is fine. I think most of us live in capitalist countries? But the fact that the knockoff is using the same internal mechanism that was created by Verdes. It wouldn't be so much of an issue if the design was more original.

And I have a question: I know The original Rubik's Cube patent is expired, but do the new cubes, such as the Rubik's 5x5 and 6x6, have new patents or are they all under the same expired patent?

 

[jcuber]

Okay y'all, here are a few things.

1. Before I say this, I want to say that I will not buy the knockoff or official V9.

Almost every major brand has some sort of competition, it is a reality of sales. We knew this would happen. I would wager that a lot of people who would be buying the clone would either buy the V9 in addition, or not buy the V9 at all regardless.

Competition is fine. I think most of us live in capitalist countries? But the fact that the knockoff is using the same internal mechanism that was created by Verdes. It wouldn't be so much of an issue if the design was more original.

And I have a question: I know The original Rubik's Cube patent is expired, but do the new cubes, such as the Rubik's 5x5 and 6x6, have new patents or are they all under the same expired patent?

I hope you mean 4x4 and 5x5...

 

[qqwref]

The original Rubik's Cube patent is for the Rubik's Cube... you know, the 3x3? Rubik himself didn't even invent a 4x4 or a 5x5. Obviously that patent doesn't cover any of the bigcubes.

 

[Hadley4000]

I hope you mean 4x4 and 5x5...

If he meant 4x4, then keep in mind that Meffert's 4x4 is the pre-tooled Rubik's 4x4. I don't know if the pre-tooled is still under patent.