Sub-4 3x3 Average + Sub-Minute 7x7 Single

yeah I cant move objects by thinking about them. it is very difficult for me so can you teach me?
Step 1: throw a cube in the air
Step 2: wait a little until it has reached its highest point
Step 3: think about the cube going down
Step 4: celebrate your newly acquired telekinesis skills
 
yeah I cant move objects by thinking about them. it is very difficult for me so can you teach me?
The procedure is complicated and time consuming. You need to build an air-tight chamber in which you suspend a plastic or wooden rod, and test that the rod cannot be rotated by any external means (magnets don't work, shaking the chamber doesn't work). Then you need to spend about 3 months training your concentration until you can empty your mind of all thoughts for no less than 3 minutes without the slightest thought coming in. Next you need to increase your jing and chi via chi-gong exercises which will take another 3-6 months. Finally, with these in place, sitting in front your airtight chamber with a GoPro videotaping it, practice for 30 minutes per day in total silence and you might expect the first erratic result in 3-6 months; if you want consistency, expect to spend several years. Both me and some friends have tried this method which I learned from someone else, many of us have videos of the successes, but there is no point in sharing the videos as people can just say the video is fake-- the only way to prove it to yourself is to train yourself until you succeed, then you know for certain.

It is not that different from fixing your eyes via eye exercises. You don't need surgery to fix bad vision, even horrible -12D prescription can be reversed by eye exercises, if you are willing to spend 2 hours per day for 3+ years.
 
The procedure is complicated and time consuming. You need to build an air-tight chamber in which you suspend a plastic or wooden rod, and test that the rod cannot be rotated by any external means (magnets don't work, shaking the chamber doesn't work). Then you need to spend about 3 months training your concentration until you can empty your mind of all thoughts for no less than 3 minutes without the slightest thought coming in. Next you need to increase your jing and chi via chi-gong exercises which will take another 3-6 months. Finally, with these in place, sitting in front your airtight chamber with a GoPro videotaping it, practice for 30 minutes per day in total silence and you might expect the first erratic result in 3-6 months; if you want consistency, expect to spend several years. Both me and some friends have tried this method which I learned from someone else, many of us have videos of the successes, but there is no point in sharing the videos as people can just say the video is fake-- the only way to prove it to yourself is to train yourself until you succeed, then you know for certain.

It is not that different from fixing your eyes via eye exercises. You don't need surgery to fix bad vision, even horrible -12D prescription can be reversed by eye exercises, if you are willing to spend 2 hours per day for 3+ years.
yeah and also megaminx
 
Annual revival of my thread explaining the inevitability of a sub-4 3^3 average and a sub-minute 7^3 single.

When I started this, people all over YouTube and even a bit here sometimes actually expressed their belief that a sub-4 outright average was likely still decades away if not impossible. Then when Yiheng got the 4.36 average, Jperm made a detailed analysis of all of his recorded official solves, seemingly reasonably arguing it was an anomaly even for him, and with a chuckle and complete confidence concluded (very slightly paraphrased as I didn't literally just watch it), "Yeah, so I think it's safe to say no one is gonna be breaking this record for a loooong time!"

He seemed to almost treat it like Du's outlier sub-4 single. Well, Yiheng smashed it in a matter of months, exactly as I predicted to Jperm. People less familiar with Yiheng don't understand he isn't stone cold; he's a very animated kid and jumps up in down in response to successes that excite him. His relative lack of reaction, compared to other events and just him in general, to low 3 singles and low 4 averages is very telling. It's clear his inner thought process is like, "Seriously? I really missed the barrier this narrowly again? Why are comps so different from home? Oh well, remember to smile like Mom says. People are watching me right now who would love this result. I need to be grateful and represent myself, my country, and the cubing community well."

If he were still 8 I could almost imagine him choking back tears in response to a flat 4.00 average for being so close, a horrible look for him, but from people who don't know what it must feel like, especially at his age, to still feel cheated by RNG and nerves and be upset by that like anyone else. In a way, this is noble actually. It demonstrates truly competing with oneself, losing to one's potential self, feeling a certain way about that, and not having the slightest arrogant thought about how clearly you're stomping literally everyone else, though, to fall back on and just be instantly gratified by. That type always makes for a superb boundary breaker.

It's difficult to imagine it from his perspective. Even if being praised, it would be extremely annoying to know we're actually being incorrectly appraised and that we're capable of much more, especially to impatient children. And if Yiheng does have any competitiveness with others as well, it might be scary to imagine that nerves and RNG could actually prevent you from doing something you're already capable of for long enough for someone else to gain the same ability and have a little better luck.

I predicted that at some point full ZBLL will just be considered standard for top solvers, full OLL and PLL gradually considered more of a beginner's method. We're seeing this now with several of the Chinese cubers younger than Yiheng. I predicted in response to a video Feliks posted of Yiheng when he was 6 that he would take the WR average. He wasn't on the radar yet but he was just so young to be as fast as he was.

Enter Xaunyi. He's way faster than Yiheng was when I discovered him at 6, and at only a slightly older age. He's on the radar RIGHT NOW. Can we expect him to also improve dramatically the entire time he approaches a double digit age? Is Yiheng even finished with his own rapid improvement phase? Xaunyi can plan the entirety of F2L on AVERAGE. And he can ensure a top layer cross as well, a very non-negligible portion of the time. I do mean in inspection, not any form of edge control as it's seen in real time with lookahead. As he uses ZBLL, that's 2-look cube when this happens, completely removing guesswork. How insane is it that he has both necessary powers to make this happen frequently? This isn't even considering how much his TPS is likely to increase as he grows.

Does anyone at this point seriously still think it's impossible? Seems to me the rhetoric has changed to inevitable, just as I've watched so many times before, and about as quickly as I suggested.

What about 2x2? I don't think the wr average will get below 0.7 anytime soon though
You had asked for my thoughts on 2^3 (2x2x2). I said that it was a bit different and that for this event to improve much, people needed to better optimize their starts and stops themselves, the art of picking up the cube economically even with the nerves of knowing a fast time is possible. This is exactly what Yiheng then did, infamously actually; sliding is the new meta. And to my understanding, Zayn, having started working on it as well, does have a filmed sub 0.7 average.

Despite having historically gotten so many things right about barriers, and then making further predictions here which have turned out to be correct as well, I doubt this year's update will do much to sway the doubters toward my opinion that a sub-minute 7^3 single is as inevitable as the sub-minute conquests of its predecessors were, just not right around the corner. That probably won't change until the time goes low enough to cue the typically somewhat sudden 180 to, "The sub-minute is real!"

We're yet to see what happens when minds capable of things like planning in inspection from a scramble to the point that only a single alg is needed are repurposed toward using that spatial awareness to build big cubes in ways that look indistinguishable from lucky, particularly fluid solves to anyone who doesn't understand their setup processes. There's so much time to save on 7^3 in optimizing piece selection. But then there's just as much work to do with the hardware. It's not even close to the limit.

It is possible to move objects just by thinking about them
Yes. This all leads to me unveiling a secret simultaneous sweep of unofficial WRs in all events, using my mind alone. But in seriousness, the only things that can move things or influence things at all are the fundamental forces of physics: Electromagnetism, the strong nuclear force, the weak nuclear force, and gravity. Mind over matter itself isn't implausible but requires a physical mechanism by which a thought influences the matter via those available forces. We do it all the time when we move our bodies at will, as we are our brains. It doesn't appear, however, that human biology has produced a way for matter outside the body to be manipulated by the brain. It has to interface with it using the body, which it CAN control, via connective tissue that transmits signals. Thoughts born of human biology don't seem to have any "wireless" influence on external matter via fields, but the possibility of putting this concept in action via biological and technological augmentation isn't actually totally off the table in the distant future.
 
1. This is Hassan, not Zayn
2. In the description of Hassan's video "NOTE: DO NOT SLIDE IN COMPETITION. IT IS CURRENTLY ILLEGAL. The video and description are meant to be a joke."
It was my understanding that this was an attempt at a diplomatic response from Zayn to Yiheng's record: A way of saying he doesn't approve of sliding while verifying he can beat Yiheng if he uses it as well, done via a relative's channel to minimize the appearance of directly bullying a little kid for getting an accepted record, or of directly contesting it. Hassan's best official average is a 1.34. How much time does sliding save again? It seemed this was an, "If you know, you know" sort of thing.

But, if we alternatively believe that Hassan is, for whatever reason, so sufficiently faster than his official times at home that with the minor boost of sliding he can break Yiheng's record in this fashion, the possibility of a sliding sub 0.7 has been demonstrated either way, which was obviously the core of my point.
 
It was my understanding that this was an attempt at a diplomatic response from Zayn to Yiheng's record: A way of saying he doesn't approve of sliding while verifying he can beat Yiheng if he uses it as well, done via a relative's channel to minimize the appearance of directly bullying a little kid for getting an accepted record, or of directly contesting it. Hassan's best official average is a 1.34. How much time does sliding save again? It seemed this was an, "If you know, you know" sort of thing.

But, if we alternatively believe that Hassan is, for whatever reason, so sufficiently faster than his official times at home that with the minor boost of sliding he can break Yiheng's record in this fashion, the possibility of a sliding sub 0.7 has been demonstrated either way, which was obviously the core of my point.
Sliding is cheating, many delegates I have asked also have agreed. Sub-0.7 with sliding is very achievable, but without it getting a sub-0.7 will take a ton of luck.
 
Sliding is cheating
Then why has the record, known to use the technique, been confirmed?

I understand how sliding looks at first. Of course it's cheating, right? But what were we originally aiming to time anyway, how quickly we can solve a puzzle, or how quickly we can pick up and set a block down?

That process only ever existed because it was the most reliable way to "automate" timer starts and stops instead of forcing judges to determine and agree on the frame a solve starts and the frame it ends. That's way too much work, even though it's precisely actually that stretch of time that really matters to the spirit of puzzle solving.

The process was a necessary evil and always meant to be as negligible as possible. Is it not then basic common sense to use the version of the process that cuts it down as much as possible, the process that gets the time even closer to the ACTUAL solve time? Or have we been so conditioned and beaten by this long, necessary evil, that we now think we WANT our solves counting an unnecessarily long duration of not even touching the cube?

That's such an odd, borderline arbitrary thing to actually want in the grand scheme of things, against the grain of the nature of the very event itself. Why not just add an outright 100 meter sprint that must be accomplished before touching the cube? Same reason: It has nothing to do with puzzle solving. It's just more obvious when exaggerated.

The technique has been all but accepted. Others are free to nerf their times with additional time they weren't even touching the cube while Yiheng sticks to measuring something closer to the original intent. That's their choice. That's on them. Or they can just slide, like anyone can, therefore taking nothing from the record's validity.

If I'm honest, I think the whole sliding controversy is just the 2^3 community's way of coping with the presence of Yiheng. In a century competitions will have moved on to smart cubes anyway and opted to remove a timer start/stop process separate from the solve itself. If anyone even cares about the records of today they will be listed with the "legacy" treatment and with a sidenote to remember that the times contain a bit of unnecessary, non-cubing time. There will likely be an agreed upon amount to deduct for comparison to then modern times. In a world where the vast majority of cubes time themselves, no one is going to carry on with the timer mess for long.
 
Sliding is cheating, many delegates I have asked also have agreed. Sub-0.7 with sliding is very achievable, but without it getting a sub-0.7 will take a ton of luck.
Also I think Antonie Pateraskis said that the WRC has made a decision their just trying to figure out the best way to prevent it
 
Also I think Antonie Pateraskis said that the WRC has made a decision their just trying to figure out the best way to prevent it
They ruled that if nothing looked off in real time, slow motion video won't enter the equation. They're not going to start frame counting every solve to determine who is starting the timer in the more efficient way or not. It's their way of saying to stop splitting hairs and get with the meta and use the more efficient way universally so we can move on. Just don't blatantly turn the cube before the timer even starts or something ridiculous.
 
Then why has the record, known to use the technique, been confirmed?
The WRC is figuring out how to prevent sliding (which there kinda isn’t a good way to do)
I understand how sliding looks at first. Of course it's cheating, right? But what were we originally aiming to time anyway, how quickly we can solve a puzzle, or how quickly we can pick up and set a block down?
Many people have very low (but not negative) pick up times without sliding
That process only ever existed because it was the most reliable way to "automate" timer starts and stops instead of forcing judges to determine and agree on the frame a solve starts and the frame it ends. That's way too much work, even though it's precisely actually that stretch of time that really matters to the spirit of puzzle solving.
Yeah but IMO sliding takes time OFF the actual stretch of time to solve the puzzle

The process was a necessary evil and always meant to be as negligible as possible. Is it not then basic common sense to use the version of the process that cuts it down as much as possible, the process that gets the time even closer to the ACTUAL solve time? Or have we been so conditioned and beaten by this long, necessary evil, that we now think we WANT our solves counting an unnecessarily long duration of not even touching the cube?
But again, with sliding you can LITERALLY take time OFF the solve, 0.20-0.10 is not an unnecessarily long duration of time
That's such an odd, borderline arbitrary thing to actually want in the grand scheme of things, against the grain of the nature of the very event itself. Why not just add an outright 100 meter sprint that must be accomplished before touching the cube? Same reason: It has nothing to do with puzzle solving. It's just more obvious when exaggerated.
See previous paragraph
The technique has been all but accepted. Others are free to nerf their times with additional time they weren't even touching the cube while Yiheng sticks to measuring something closer to the original intent. That's their choice. That's on them. Or they can just slide, like anyone can, therefore taking nothing from the record's validity
Sliding is nowhere near being accepted, and it pretty clearly breaks regs
If I'm honest, I think the whole sliding controversy is just the 2^3 community's way of coping with the presence of Yiheng. In a century competitions will have moved on to smart cubes anyway and opted to remove a timer start/stop process separate from the solve itself. If anyone even cares about the records of today they will be listed with the "legacy" treatment and with a sidenote to remember that the times contain a bit of unnecessary, non-cubing time. There will likely be an agreed upon amount to deduct for comparison to then modern times. In a world where the vast majority of cubes time themselves, no one is going to carry on with the timer mess for long.
Yeah I agree that there’s a lot of xenophobia against Yiheng in a lot of senses but that doesn’t mean all criticism is invalid, and I don’t think we’ll switch to virtual cubes, its just an unnecessary risk for scramble security for a tenth of a second saved
 
They ruled that if nothing looked off in real time, slow motion video won't enter the equation. They're not going to start frame counting every solve to determine who is starting the timer in the more efficient way or not. It's their way of saying to stop splitting hairs and get with the meta and use the more efficient way universally so we can move on. Just don't blatantly turn the cube before the timer even starts or something ridiculous.
Until the WRC reverses the notion against frame by frame analysis I think sliding results would stand, although I really hope they start doing it, and funny thing is that Yiheng did turn the cube before starting in one of the solves
 
been confirmed?
I would not say it has been confirmed. The WCA has a Instagram page where they post about when WRs happen. Yiheng’s 0.78 is not on there will more recent WRs are, suggesting that the WRC has yet to confirm the legality of sliding, and that it’s legality is currently in a limbo state.

Edit: To add, Yiheng himself has, for the most part, stopped sliding. If his 0.78 was “confirmed” with sliding, why would Yiheng just decide to stop sliding?
 
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Until the WRC reverses the notion against frame by frame analysis I think sliding results would stand, although I really hope they start doing it, and funny thing is that Yiheng did turn the cube before starting in one of the solves
I'd say instead of being against frame-by-frame analysis we should set it at a certain frame that the WRC can't go past.
I would not say it has been confirmed. The WCA has a Instagram page where they post about when WRs happen. Yiheng’s 0.78 is not on there will more recent WRs are, suggesting that the WRC has yet to confirm the legality of sliding, and that it’s legality is currently in a limbo state.

Edit: To add, Yiheng himself has, for the most part, stopped sliding. If his 0.78 was “confirmed” with sliding, why would Yiheng just decide to stop sliding?
Good point, I really hope they don't count it because if they make sliding illegal but count his record that would be extremely unfair.
 
I still stand by my earlier prediction:

Future single records are always a bit funny to speculate on, because they're just one lucky scramble away from being broken. My gut feel is that we won't see a sub-minute single [on 777] in at least the next 20 years, but it's hard to say with much certainty.

I wrote that in August 2022, so two years have passed since then. We're not significantly closer to seeing a sub-minute single, so I will not be revising my timeline estimate and continue to bet that we will not see a sub-minute single by August 2042.

(There have been eight sub-1:40 singles since I wrote the quoted bit above, seven from Max Park and one from Nahm; and there has been one sub-1:35 single (the current WR). Maybe I'm being overconfident in my prediction? But we do expect records to start thinning out as they get better, unless new blood comes in or some other breakthrough happens.)
 
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