PowerfulCity
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There are so many algorithms that maybe it would be a better use of the time to practice other aspects. It would take too long to memorize every single one of them.
Is it worth it to learn all of OLL
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ruffleduck
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It took me only a week to learn them. It is certainly worth it if you're aiming for sub 15 or beyond.
Mastermind2368
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As a ZZ user who formerly used CFOP, it's definitely worth it. I'd recommend searching up Mark Boyanowski's thread that talks about which algs saved you the most moves compared to 2-Look OLL.
AJT17
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I am currently learning full OLL, and it is not nearly as bad as it first looks. All the algorithms are short and easy to execute quickly, so it may be a lot easier after you learn a couple, and it may give you the confidence to learn the rest.
Lio2010
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Can u link that thread?
abunickabhi
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Wait, Mark has done some work in improving OLL learning?
I thought he was a BLDer and FMCer only.
Mastermind2368
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My mistake, seems like it was another member on here named Mark. I saw his profile picture of doing MBLD and assumed it was Mark Boyanowski.
I've been looking, but I can't seem to find it. Incase anyone wants to dig around more, it was posted by mark49152 in 2013 ish. I know someone bumped it rather recently, within the last few weeks I believe, but I couldn't see it among those posts.
Of course it's not worth it. Why do you think there are only 3 or 4 people in the whole world who know full OLL?
It's really telling that the two people in this thread who say they'd learnt full OLL have either quit cubing entirely or switched to a method that doesn't use full OLL.
It's really telling that the two people in this thread who say they'd learnt full OLL have either quit cubing entirely or switched to a method that doesn't use full OLL.
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PetrusQuber
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Cross and F2L are certainly better areas to improve on initially (with more impacts on time) but full OLL will eventually be necessary as you get faster. 50 algs sound like a lot but you'll get them down eventually
sDLfj
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Here you go, I only found it because I had it bookmarked, lol.
When and how to move from 2-look to 1-look OLL
EDIT: Having come back and looked at this three years later, it is clearly over-complicated, probably because I spent so long immersed in the details when I originally wrote it! :) So, TL;DR version: Here is a list of all the OLL shapes, ordered by the average number of moves they save...
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Cuber Score
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whatever you want, just learn this oll
Arcanist
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Yeah I bumped it. It's a really interesting thread. (even though I already know full oll)
Thom S.
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What do you think is worth improving more than the second most move-saving part of CFOP progression after Full PLL?
As long as you stick to CFOP, full OLL will be the second most crucial aspect after full PLL. Think about it, if you currently need to look at your OLL twice and do 5-9 moves(numbers false because I can't currently be bothered to look them up, doesn't matter tho, outcome is the same wether OLL algorithms average at 2 moves or 675,875.98 moves) twice and after becoming comfortable with OLL you look once and do 5-9 moves once, that just about cut your OLL time in half.
As long as you stick to CFOP, full OLL will be the second most crucial aspect after full PLL. Think about it, if you currently need to look at your OLL twice and do 5-9 moves(numbers false because I can't currently be bothered to look them up, doesn't matter tho, outcome is the same wether OLL algorithms average at 2 moves or 675,875.98 moves) twice and after becoming comfortable with OLL you look once and do 5-9 moves once, that just about cut your OLL time in half.
OldSwiss
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You don't have to learn them all at once but if you begin, you will find out that it is easier than you think.
Most algs are qute short and most of them are variations of sune, sexy moves and sledges with some setup moves.
Cubehead has a nice video about it.
As I said before, you don't have to learn them all at once, but if you know some groups of them, you use it if you see these cases. If you haven't learned a specific case, you can still use 2 look oll
Most algs are qute short and most of them are variations of sune, sexy moves and sledges with some setup moves.
Cubehead has a nice video about it.
As I said before, you don't have to learn them all at once, but if you know some groups of them, you use it if you see these cases. If you haven't learned a specific case, you can still use 2 look oll
Lio2010
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Do u know the link then
?
Mastermind2368
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Do u know the link then
There's the link.Here you go, I only found it because I had it bookmarked, lol.
When and how to move from 2-look to 1-look OLL
EDIT: Having come back and looked at this three years later, it is clearly over-complicated, probably because I spent so long immersed in the details when I originally wrote it! :) So, TL;DR version: Here is a list of all the OLL shapes, ordered by the average number of moves they save...
OldSwiss
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The cool thing about this is that Stealth, Squares, T-Shapes that save you the most moves have some really short and easy algs, most people already know.
Also some of the dot cases and P are really easy.
Even if someone doesn't want to learn full OLL, he should at least have a look at those
THE_V01DL0RD
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Twist corner URF
caleb_g
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i average 14's but im an idiot so theres like, literally 2 olls i dont know, im too lazy to learn them lol, but i agree it is a lot faster
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