Do you think that 15 puzzle should be a WCA event?

[minxer293]

They didn't mention clock, also "commonly" which implies that they aren't always called "twisty puzzles"

They also didn't mention any of the other 16 events besides 3x3.

 

[ruffleduck]

They also didn't mention any of the other 16 events besides 3x3.

You ignored my second point (which was the main one), also I think we can agree that all WCA puzzles (except clock) are very similar to 3x3?

 

[minxer293]

You ignored my second point (which was the main one), also I think we can agree that all WCA puzzles (except clock) are very similar to 3x3?

The clock's gears twist around an axis. The cube's pieces also twist around an axis. How is it not similar to a 3x3?

Based on your logic, someone in a wheelchair isn't human because they can't walk.

 

[Deleted member 51471]

Isn't that what a Rubik's cube does too?

Yes, but nothing is moving in a circle on the 15 puzzle

 

[ruffleduck]

The clock's gears twist around an axis. The cube's pieces also twist around an axis. How is it not similar to a 3x3?

No colors. Also, there are pins you can press.

Based on your logic, someone in a wheelchair isn't human because they can't walk.

 

[Deleted member 36445]

Based on your logic, someone in a wheelchair isn't human because they can't walk.

mayb it's an alien in a wheelchair

 

[ruffleduck]

Yes, but nothing is moving in a circle on the 15 puzzle

Why must it be in a circle? Do clock pins going up and down look like it's going in a circle?

 

[minxer293]

mayb it's an alien in a wheelchair

 

[minxer293]

No colors. Also, there are pins you can press.

The definition of a twisty puzzle never says that it needs to have colors, it just needs to have some piece twist around an axis, which clock does.

The pins are their own little thing in themselves, but extra additions still don't detract from it being a twisty puzzle.

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How is this a false analogy? You say that Clock isn't a twisty puzzle because it doesn't have colors, and has pins.
My analogy that you're logic means that someone in a wheelchair isn't human isn't false, it fully explains your views.

So, clock isn't a twisty puzzle because it lost something (colors), and gained something (pins).

Because of the above, a person in a wheelchair isn't human because it lost something (the ability to walk), and gained something (a chair to help with day-to-day tasks).

 

[ruffleduck]

The definition of a twisty puzzle never says that it needs to have colors, it just needs to have some piece twist around an axis, which clock does.

The definition specifically says that clock isn't a twisty puzzle.

The clock doesn't have any layers, which all other twisty puzzles have.

Oh, and the WCA website never says whether clock is a twisty puzzle or not.

 

[minxer293]

The definition specifically says that clock isn't a twisty puzzle.

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Ok, guess you can trust a bunch of teenagers editing a wiki if you want, rather than the organization that actually determines if it is or isn't.

The clock doesn't have any layers, which all other twisty puzzles have.

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See above.

Oh, and the WCA website never says whether clock is a twisty puzzle or not.

It doesn't state if any other event is a twisty puzzle besides 3x3 either.

 

[rubik2005]

What type of puzzle would clock be considered? If it didn't have a category and it has enough similarities to a twisty puzzle, maybe they thought it would be a good addition to the WCA.

The 15 puzzle on the other hand is a Klotski/sliding puzzle, which is completely different.

 

[minxer293]

maybe they thought it would be a good addition to the WCA.

People have stated that clock was probably added just because it was manufactured by Rubik's, which is probably true.

This isn't a reason to remove it though.

 

[rubik2005]

People have stated that clock was probably added just because it was manufactured by Rubik's, which is probably true.

This isn't a reason to remove it though.

Maybe. I'm not arguing about clock though.

 

[ruffleduck]

It doesn't state if any other event is a twisty puzzle besides 3x3 either.

Good point. My new argument: only 3x3 is a twisty puzzle.

 

[minxer293]

Good point. My new argument: only 3x3 is a twisty puzzle.

Better than your argument that clock isn't.

 

[Mike Hughey]

Ok, guess you can trust a bunch of teenagers editing a wiki if you want, rather than the organization that actually determines if it is or isn't.

Actually, looking at the wiki history, this is specifically one cuber (not sure if teenager or not) - a person named Bryce Springfield (who has apparently been to one WCA competition) added the text "Twisty puzzles do not include the Rubik's Clock, 15 puzzle, or related puzzles." It was the only edit. A strange edit for someone to make - looks to me like someone was trying to win an argument.

 

[PCCuber]

not sure if teenager or not)

He was 15 or 16 at the time of writing it, so yeah.

 

[Future]

maby they should do a version of it but instead of the numbers there r the rubik's cube coulours and they neeed to be in an order ex: white red blue orange green yellow

 

[DuckubingCuber347]

Even if there was enough reasons for it to join the WCA it would still be a very unpopular decision. There's far to few people to support it, the scrambles would add a lot of time and trouble to the comp and you wouldn't have very many people doing it. It's so different from other WCA events, even clock. Maybe it could be an unofficial event, but it would be an horrible official event.