Do you think that 15 puzzle should be a WCA event?

[CubesN'StuffOfficial]

I really enjoy 15 puzzle do you think it should be in the WCA?

 

[minxer293]

15 puzzle in my opinion is too similar to events like Magic, it isn't a twisty puzzle and the WCA is meant for twisty puzzles.

"The WCA governs competitions for mechanical puzzles that are operated by twisting groups of pieces, commonly known as “twisty puzzles (9a)”

 

[qwr]

No, it's not a twisty puzzle.
Clock isn't either but I guess it's just left in for historical reasons.

 

[CodingCuber]

I love 15 puzzle, don't get me wrong. I solve it all the time. However, seeing as it's not a twisty puzzle, I don't think it should be in the WCA.

 

[xyzzy]

It wouldn't be an entirely terrible event candidate if considered on its own merits. It does fit the mould of "combinatorial puzzle with discretely moving parts", even if said motion isn't twisting. (How much scope creep would the WCA be subjecting itself to if it added 15 puzzle? Not all that much – what other non-twisty combinatorial puzzles can you even think of? Are they anywhere as popular as 15 puzzle?)

To my knowledge, the main drawbacks to making it an official event are long scrambles and very short solving time at the top level (Ben has a 5.4x ao100, what the h*ck).

But of course, many people dislike the idea of adding 15 puzzle for more superficial reasons (ahem the three posts above mine), so actually adding it would probably lead to a fair amount of backlash, and this would be the strongest argument against adding 15 puzzle.

 

[Cubing Forever]

No, it's not a twisty puzzle.
Clock isn't either but I guess it's just left in for historical reasons.

clock is a twisty puzzle lol

 

[Deleted member 36445]

oof

 

[BenChristman1]

oof
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@zzoomer gave a sympathy vote lol

 

[Ben Whitmore]

To my knowledge, the main drawbacks to making it an official event are long scrambles and very short solving time at the top level (Ben has a 5.4x ao100, what the h*ck).

Scrambles aren't particularly long, they're only about as long as 4x4 scrambles.

 

[DuckubingCuber347]

Scrambles aren't particularly long, they're only about as long as 4x4 scrambles.

The solving is much faster. The puzzle's very fun but it's kind of like clock in the sense that it's super easy, there's not a whole bunch of different ways to solve it, it would be controversial, etc, etc. It just doesn't belong in the WCA. If your going to add another event it might as well be something with a large following and something not highly controversial like, ahem

 

[teboecubes]

If your going to add another event it might as well be something with a large following and something not highly controversial like, ahem
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and preferably a more rubik's-cube-like twisty puzzle, instead of a sliding puzzle

 

[abunickabhi]

I enjoy 15 puzzle more digitally rather than the Qiyi wooden puzzle.

Since digital software of N slide puzzle is more popular in the speedsliding community, it cannot be added to the WCA.

 

[LBr]

I dont think it should be added as its not a twisty puzzle and it isnt mehodical

 

[SlowerCuber]

+ It's a cool event to watch
- It's not a twisty puzzle, or more precisely, it's a 2D puzzle, not a 3D spatial puzzle. (Clock belongs to this category as well)

 

[minxer293]

Clock isn't either but I guess it's just left in for historical reasons.

The clocks twist as you push or pull the gears.

Not a twisty puzzle I guess?

 

[ruffleduck]

The clocks twist as you push or pull the gears.

Not a twisty puzzle I guess?

 

[minxer293]

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WCA says differently:

 

[ruffleduck]

WCA says differently:
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They didn't mention clock, also "commonly" which implies that they aren't always called "twisty puzzles"

 

[Deleted member 51471]

"twisting" groups of pieces.

At least clock has something that somewhat twists. The 15-puzzle doesn't twist anything at all, you're moving around some squares

 

[ruffleduck]

The 15-puzzle doesn't twist anything at all, you're moving around some squares

Isn't that what a Rubik's cube does too?