Do you think that 15 puzzle should be a WCA event?

Do you think that 15 puzzle should be a WCA event?

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Kit Clement

It's not worth arguing about the definition of a twisty puzzle as if it's a pre-determined definition. The idea of twisty puzzle is brought about by this community, and we can decide for ourselves what should and should not be a twisty puzzle. Acting like any definition you find (especially one on a wiki page) is some sort of ultimate truth is incredibly ignorant, and honestly, whether clock is or is not a twisty puzzle doesn't even matter. It's part of the WCA, and if you want to argue that it should/shouldn't be a WCA event or that it does/doesn't fit in with other events, make arguments based on the merits of the puzzle, not based on some definition you found.

minxer293

Member
Actually, looking at the wiki history, this is specifically one cuber (not sure if teenager or not) - a person named Bryce Springfield (who has apparently been to one WCA competition) added the text "Twisty puzzles do not include the Rubik's Clock, 15 puzzle, or related puzzles." It was the only edit. A strange edit for someone to make - looks to me like someone was trying to win an argument.
I don’t edit the Speedsolving wiki haha

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Samajor

Member
No, because I think that it has nothing to do with cubing

TheCubingCuber347

Member
No, because I think that it has nothing to do with cubing
Refer to what @Kit Clement said. It's really just subjective, according to Wikipedia "Speedcubing (also known as speedsolving, or just cubing) is a sport involving solving a variety of combination puzzles, the most famous being the 3x3x3 puzzle or Rubik's Cube, as quickly as possible."

We are trying to solve a "combination puzzle". Well what is a combination puzzle?

If doing a fractional amount of research we find that "A combination puzzle, also known as a sequential move puzzle, is a puzzle which consists of a set of pieces which can be manipulated into different combinations by a group of operations. Many such puzzles are of a polyhedral shape, and consist of multiple layers of pieces along each many axes which can rotate independently of each other. "

Notice it say "many", it does not say all. looking at examples we find many we associate with "cubing", Pyraminx, 2x2, 3x3, Megaminx, etc. We also find puzzles that do not belong in the WCA like Pyraminx Crystal, Void cube, and so forth. Upon further inspection of the page you come across "2-dimensional" puzzles. While these do not consist of multiple layers we already know that combination puzzles are not restricted to that. Under 2-D puzzles we see the Fifteen puzzle.

Looping back we have Fifteen puzzle = Combination puzzle = What cubing is about solving.

When we cubers think of "cubing" we will associate with what we're used to or, the "norm". But it does still include less conventional puzzles.

Now, I am in no way saying it should be added I am totally against it as you can see in other posts. But what I am saying is that saying, "No, because I think that it has nothing to do with cubing." Is very naïve and totally false, just because you feel a way does not make it so. If that were true Clock would probably be removed as an event because many "feel" it doesn't belong.

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oneshot

Member
FWIW, I think it’s a good idea. I could imagine magnetized ones too. BLD 15 puzzle would have the same length scramble with longer solve times.

BenChristman1

Member
FWIW, I think it’s a good idea. I could imagine magnetized ones too. BLD 15 puzzle would have the same length scramble with longer solve times.
Qiyi actually already made a magnetic 15 Puzzle.

TheCubingCuber347

Member
Qiyi actually already made a magnetic 15 Puzzle.

Would the normal or the lite be better?